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Instructions for nominators[edit]

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any autoconfirmed registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

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Please read the following instructions completely before nominating an article. A nomination is not considered complete until all 3 steps of the instructions below are completed.

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How to review a nomination[edit]

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Instructions for other editors[edit]

How to promote an accepted hook[edit]

  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote. In a separate window, open the prep area you intend to add the hook to.
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How to move a nomination subpage to a new name[edit]

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

Nominations[edit]

Older nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on October 3[edit]

Ernest Yarrow

Ernest Yarrow

  • ... that missionary Ernest Yarrow (pictured) spoke about an "organized, systematic attempt to wipe out the Armenians"?

Created by Proudbolsahye (talk). Self nominated at 09:31, 3 October 2013 (UTC).

  • Just noting that I'm in the process of reviewing this. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:08, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg The source for the hook says it's from the New York Times, but it links to a personal website and it's not clear that it's a copy of an NYT article. I see a 20,000-word report was published in October 1915 by the Committee on Armenian Atrocities, which is referred to in this NYT article, but I can't see what the relationship is between that report and the text on that website. Can you cite a secondary source (such as a journalist or historian), or a primary source such as the report the NYT refers to, that indicates Yarrow talked of an "organized, systematic attempt to wipe out the Armenians"? SlimVirgin (talk) 21:31, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the review SlimVirgin (talk · contribs). There's an offline source here by historian and researcher Dikran Kloian. It's on two seperate pages, xiv and 76. Try searching "systematic attempt" and it should come up. I'll add the source to the article now. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
(ec) I see a source here, which may be reproducing that report. It's only snippet view but it would be good enough as a source for this. You can then link to the personal-website article as a courtesy link, though you would need to explain in the footnote what it was exactly. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Haha! We pointed to the same source. I added it for additional verification. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:50, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
That's looks better. Can the NYT article not be linked to directly, rather than linking to a personal website? Also, it's presumably Armenian appeal, not American appeal. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Some copy-editing is needed: Would be better to start the article with his full name, rather than an initial, then there's no need to repeat it in the first section. The first section also doesn't need to repeat his date of birth. I wouldn't call him Ernest, then Yarrow in the next sentence: Yarrow throughout is fine, if he's the only Yarrow in the text.
"After graduating from there in 1897, continued his education ..." is missing a "he," and the next sentence can say "he" too, rather than repeating his name. "He then joined the local First Congregational Church then took theological courses ...": remove a then, and "his roommates sister" needs an apostrophe. Boy's school should be "boys' school" (unless it's a name). "After serving for several years, Ernest Yarrow returned ...": no need to repeat his first name. Do you know the name of the Van college?
"to take part of in": needs to be fixed. The rest of the article could use some copy editing to smooth out issues like that, and to make it easier to read. The paragraph beginning "During the initial stage of the event ..." is quite hard to follow. It's not clear who is being quoted (and from which document) and why. SlimVirgin (talk) 21:54, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
Question about the paragraph beginning: "During the initial stage of the event ...," I found the Ussher book on archive.org. The article says: "During the conversation with Cevdet Bey, Ussher and Yarrow witnessed the colonel of Cevdet Beys regiment ... receive orders to massacre the Armenian population ...," citing Ussher, pp. 237–238. Looking at those pages, I can't see where it says Yarrow was in the room at the time. Have I just missed it, or does that need another source? SlimVirgin (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
It says that they visited Cevdet Bey together in the preceding paragraphs of the source. Though it may not mention he was in the room, he certainly met him there. My reason for saying he was in the room is based off of good faith since he doesn't say anywhere that we departed from negotations or that he wasn't present. Proudbolsahye (talk) 00:36, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
The problem is that that is a very specific claim: "Yarrow witnessed ..." But the source (Ussher's book) says: "I went to the Vali to see if there was any way ..." (p. 237), then discusses what he heard there. He doesn't say Yarrow was with him. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:45, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Glad you caught this. From this source [1] (pg. 203), Yarrow and Ussher visited Cevdet on a separate occasion. Nevertheless, Usshers meetings with Cevdet Bey is relevant to Yarrow as it is relevant to the entire article. I'll just remove Yarrows involvement with the meeting. I'll perhaps add some info about the seond meeting where he actually went with Ussher to see Cevdet Bey a second time. Proudbolsahye (talk) 01:26, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── That looks better.

  • Again, better to remove one instance of "then" from "He then joined the local First Congregational Church then took theological courses at the Hartford Seminary," or give the years.
  • "Boy's school" should be "boys' school".
  • "Ernest A. Yarrow along with his wife contracted typhus which they both eventually healed from". Better: Yarrow and his wife contracted typhus but both recovered.
  • No need to keep repeating his full name.
  • I'm not sure what this sentence means "In 1924, Ernest Yarrow has also been known for consulting the United States State Department in an attempt to restore Armenian territory that has been lost to Turkey." Better to say what he did exactly.
  • Also, the hook is now well-sourced, but you say elsewhere in the article that he said this in the New York Times. Can you cite the NYT directly? The archives are here. The article shouldn't say that he said this in the NYT unless we can find it in the NYT. There's no need to pay for the article, but we should be able to find the citation (when it was published and the headline). SlimVirgin (talk) 21:53, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
  • FIXED. I simplified and clarified the sentence that may have caused confusion. In regards to the NYTimes, unfortunately, I can't find the article in the online archives. Quite strange. Nevertheless, the article is mentioned in other sources ([2], [3], and etc.) In fact, I believe its original publication wasn't the New York Times, but The Survey. I just noticed, both articles are not duplicates with one another. Therefore, I'm going to remove the "In an issue of the New York Times" part. I hope that clarifies things. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:11, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
  • These are the only two NYT articles I can find for that date that mention Armenia. Will look at the article again with your fixes. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:15, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Very strange. As you can see through a snippet view here, the article is scanned and displayed. Most articles in the book are verifiable with the NYTimes archives. Regardless of this though, his statement has been republished by The Survey so I think we are good with sourcing for the hook. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:39, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg That snippet view doesn't say the article was published in the New York Times (that I can see).

The citation still says the quote is from the New York Times. That personal website should be removed as a source. Also, you source the sentence "In 1924, Yarrow consulted the United States State Department in order to restore Armenian territory that was lost to Turkey" to a New York Times article from 1915. I'm going to put the nomination hold because of the sourcing issues. The best thing is for you to go through each sourced claim and make sure that the source supports what the text says, and that it's a reliable source, per WP:SOURCES. By all means give me a shout when you've done that and I can take another look. SlimVirgin (talk) 22:58, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

SlimVirgin (talk · contribs)..I greatly apologize for not being more attentive to the matter. The article was never published in the New York Times. It was only published in The Survey ([4] see: "AMERICAN APPEAL TO AMERICA FOR HELP" [should be "Armenian Appeal"] and these are all the newspaper articles in Kloian's book). I don't know where I got New York Times from but it must have been because almost all of the articles found in Kloian's book are from the New York Times. I am now removing the excessive and baseless sources that say it was from NYTimes. Once again, I truly do apologize for the mess. As for the other claim, looks like the source has been switched with another one. I'll let you know when I find the corresponding source. Proudbolsahye (talk) 23:19, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks, and there's no rush. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
SlimVirgin (talk · contribs), the problems from the sources stemmed from the fact that two different sources had the same ref name! I fixed the issue here. The sources are now in line with the content of the article. I also expanded the section that talks about the meetings of the American mission with Cevdet Bey. I've added a paragraph describing Yarrow and Ussher visiting Cevdet Bey for a separate occasion. Hope this sorts out the issues you described. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hi Proudbolsahye, I'm afraid the problem is still there. The source for the hook – that Yarrow spoke about an "organized, systematic attempt to wipe out the Armenians" – is in the current footnote 2:

"Armenian Appeal To America For Help" (Reproduction of original newspaper article). New York Times. 16 October 1915. 

That is a personal blog. [5] It reproduces an article that it says appeared in the New York Times. We couldn't find the article in the New York Times archives, and you wrote above that it had never been published in the New York Times. So the hook needs a different source, either the original NYT citation with a link to the archive (assuming the article was ever published by them), or another source entirely. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:21, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Another source seems to be The Survey, Volume 35, 1916, p. 57, based on this snippet view. But I don't know what that is, or whether it would be the original source. SlimVirgin (talk) 00:38, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

SlimVirgin (talk · contribs), sorry if I hadn't removed the source before. It is now removed. As mentioned by me above, the source has never been published in the New York Times, it has been published in The Survey. The original source (#9) is actually provided in the article. Proudbolsahye (talk) 01:42, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for removing that, but now your hook is unsourced in the lead. :) Also, we only have the year of publication, so not October, but 1916. What kind of publication is The Survey? I briefly looked it up but couldn't find anything. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:50, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
I found an academic source (snippet view) referring to that original headline in The Survey so that looks okay. You just need to copy it into the lead so that the hook is sourced on first reference. I'll read the rest of your changes soon. SlimVirgin (talk) 01:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

SlimVirgin (talk · contribs), done. Proudbolsahye (talk) 02:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Okay, this looks good to go. (Typo: "Yarrows had also described ..."). Date created good, length of article and hook good. Hook appropriately sourced. Rest of the article seems appropriately sourced; with some sources I'm happy to assume good faith. Images seem fine, except that there are a lot of him, so I'd double check that they're all PD or released, and perhaps consider removing the fair-use one of him at the end as unnecessary. Anyway, thanks for creating the article, Proudbolsahye. It's an interesting read. SlimVirgin (talk) 04:58, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this one from the queue because, like the Clarence Ussher article I recently pulled, I think it could use a few lines of historical context, which I will endeavour to add myself as soon as possible. Given that both noms cover essentially the same events, I expect to be able to deal with them simultaneously. Gatoclass (talk) 15:35, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg What's happening here? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
See my response at Template:Did you know nominations/Clarence Ussher Gatoclass (talk) 09:25, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Ussher is done and promoted; any idea how soon this can be completed? BlueMoonset (talk) 06:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
BlueMoonset (talk · contribs) I reminded Gatoclass here: [6]. Also, can you check out Vardges Sureniants for me? NinaGreen has a question regarding the nomination. Proudbolsahye (talk) 06:08, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I will complete this one next weekend if not earlier. Gatoclass (talk) 07:21, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I didn't quite manage to get this one finished over the weekend but will try again over the next few days. Gatoclass (talk) 10:52, 16 December 2013 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on October 10[edit]

San Quintín Volcanic Field

  • Comment: 2nd article nomination, first was John Dabiri. I will review other nominations after more familiarity with the process

Created by Mathwhiz 29 (talk). Self nominated at 04:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough with adequate referencing for DYK purposes. The structure of the article is could use some refinement, e.g., the WP:LEDE doesn't really summarize the article, but that can be addressed through editing over time and should not preclude DYK. I can AGF on offline sources and copyvios. However, I do have some concerns with the hook. I found at least one source that claims there are 11, not 10, cones in the field. [7] While I can't say for sure that this is a reliable source, it claims to take its information from the Smithsonian, which is reliable but whose website is currently down, preventing further checks. If there is a dispute over the number of cones, that should be addressed in the article (and in the hook). Further, the 2nd half of the hook "a mere 7 km (4.3 mi) from an exposed sea cliff with abundant 3 million-year-old fossil shells" seems to come from the line in the article "Another marine terrace escarpment is found 7 km to the east, rising 40-80m above the coastal plain, with more late Cretaceous sediments overlain by early Tertiary conglomerates and Pliocene marine sediments," which does not have an inline citation and which doesn't explicily mention the fossils. So for this hook to be used, that would need to be sourced. And I would suggest that since the wording of the hook is clearer than the wording of the sentence in the article, some editing of the article for clarity may be beneficial. But the real issues are to clarify how many cones are in the field and making sure the enitre hook is explicitly sourced with an inline citation. Rlendog (talk) 02:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hook issues have not been addressed, although the editor has edited since being notified on October 14. Giving final courtesy ping to talk page now. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Hi! Would interpreting your suggestions as this DYK needing a new hook be correct? If so, how about this hook? first addressed nov 3, forgot to sign/timestamp - mathwhiz29 07:26, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that the volcanoes in the San Quintín Volcanic Field were formed by repeated eruptions over a quarter of a million years?
  • Symbol question.svg I can AGF on the fact, since I do not have access to the relevant sources. But I think some clarification is still needed, either to the article or to the hook. The first line of the article states that the erruptions occurred from the "Pleistocene until 3000 years ago." Which could mean that the erruptions occurred over anywhere from 2.5 million years to a few thousand years. And under the "Volcanism" section there is a statement that "the third oldest volcano has reliably (using 40Ar/39Ar step-heating) been dated to 126,000 years ago," which would be 1/8 of a million years, but doesn't provide the age of the oldest volcano, and I am not sure that even the age of the oldest volcano would necessarily be the same as the period over which the eruptions forming the volcano occurred. And the lede has a statement that the volcanos of the Southern group "formed over a much larger and undetermined span of time." (emphasis added) Is it possible to add an explicit, sourced statement to the article stating the quarter of a million years? Rlendog (talk) 13:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Hello, sorry for the bad hook. I've been searching papers, and actually don't know where the 1/4 million year age came from, and I probably made that up. Thanks for catching it it :S There's no place that even attempts to date the oldest volcanoes, not that I can find/
ALT2: ... that the intraplate volcanoes in the San Quintín Volcanic Field were formed by repeated eruptions over hundreds of thousands of years, but no direct evidence for faulting has been found?
Better? :( Sorry for all these useless iterations. mathwhiz29 18:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I've numbered the newer hooks for clarity; need reviewer for ALT2 hook, and to make sure issues raised with article have all been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:14, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the modifications. :) mathwhiz29 04:40, 11 December 2013 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on October 20[edit]

BBC First World War centenary season

Created by Tentinator (talk). Self nominated at 08:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Date, length and hook all OK. A shame this wasn't reviewed earlier as it could have gone up today. Why not hold it until, 28 July the date of the start of the First World War? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 09:17, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Note: as the maximum hold time is six weeks (the sole exception being April Fools), July 28 is clearly not possible. This will have to run when it's promoted in the near future. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:55, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Ugh. There is no way that something like 30 empty section headings meets WP:DYKSG #D7. I strongly suggest completely reformatting this article as a proper list. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Note: Tentinator has had five DYKs hit the main page, so a QPQ will be required (see here). BlueMoonset (talk) 14:42, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry, but I really have to agree with Crisco on this one. I think that formatting it something like this would be much more useful to readers and it would allow for content about the individual programmes to be easily added even if they did not get their own article. It's up to you though. Thingg 04:06, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This is a list. The improved formatting just makes this more obvious. I cannot see 1500 characters of text on this subject. Even the lede contains a quite long list. I don't see that this can be approved unless its under the 5x expansion rule which would be achievable. Victuallers (talk) 10:15, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Since the 5x expansion rule still requires a minimum of 1500 prose characters, this isn't going to help. What the article would need—and it hasn't been forthcoming—would be some good secondary sources with information about the BBC's overall plans on the centenary. Having paragraphs that are just comma-separated lists of channels, or lists of program names, are not prose; one- or two-sentence descriptions of programs in a table also don't count. I'm afraid this just isn't going to qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:50, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Surely it couldn't be that difficult to add 1500 bytes of prose to this article to bring it into conformity? This seems to me to be a quite interesting topic suitable for DYK. Would anyone like to put their hand up for the job? Gatoclass (talk) 08:12, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
    Nope, but it's not incumbent on us to write it out and this thing is past its due date. — LlywelynII 12:11, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The program descriptions don't count? If not, let's move on. — LlywelynII 12:11, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I might try to add some content myself over the next few days, I think it's an interesting topic. Gatoclass (talk) 14:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I added some content to the article and it is now up to 2158 characters that are not in the list. There is probably a lot more that could be said though. Some links if anyone is interested (also posted on the article's talk page): official website [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] Thingg 22:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Good work, Thingg! I will add some more content over the weekend. Gatoclass (talk) 07:51, 13 December 2013 (UTC)













Articles created/expanded on October 28[edit]

Roman Putin

Roman Putin

  • ... that Roman Putin (pictured), who graduated from the Russian Military Academy of Logistics and Transport, is first cousin once removed to Vladimir Putin?
  • Comment: Not a self nomination

Created by Яна Задорожная (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 17:49, 28 October 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg Is being a relative of Putin really an interesting fact? It is certainly not notable under the Wikipedia definition (WP:INHERIT). I would question whether the sources in the article establish notability. Normally, I would take foreign language references on good faith, but the google translation of the most frequently cited source in the article reads like some kind of resume. SpinningSpark 13:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
  • That source, although probably not to be used for disputed facts, is used mainly to source which jobs he was at, written by someone who has also written a book about Vladmir Putin, and the other references seem to generally be from Russian business papers. Matty.007 17:15, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
    Symbol possible vote.svg I rather agree with Spark here. I have nominated this article at AFD, which will determine whether or not this individual is notable enough for an article. If the AFD closes as keep, then this DYK can go forward as normal. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
    OK, thanks for the notification. Matty.007 17:05, 6 December 2013 (UTC)






Articles created/expanded on October 31[edit]

Homologous chromosome

5x expanded by Josemags (talk), Quigend (talk), Stack0711 (talk). Nominated by Josemags (talk) at 23:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC).

Per the list provided by User:Allen3 here, I stopped by to check for compliance with Wikipedia's sourcing guidelines for medical text. The good news is that the hook is sourced to a secondary review, compliant with MEDRS. The bad news is that most of the sources do not include a PMID (PubMed identifier), meaning it will take some time to assure that this article is properly sourced, and there is a good deal of uncited text. I am not in favor of passing a DYK without verifying that the article is sourced correctly, and since this topic is well over my head, I will ask at WT:MED that others look in. In the meantime, it would help if the nominator would add PMIDs on journal sources, as that makes it easier to check primary vs secondary sourcing. I only stopped by to check MEDRS compliance, and will leave the rest of the DYK review to DYK reviewers. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't have these specific textbooks on hand but I do have journal access. There is one minor error that I found science-wise: "cohesions" are not released as the homologs pull apart, cohesins are. And to be super technical, the cohesin ring isn't the only thing involved - securin is too. A more detailed explanation of what happens as homologs come apart would be useful. Obviously this doesn't need an explanation as detailed as in the cell cycle articles or the articles on individual proteins, but you should give a solid picture of what occurs as homologs separate. I have looked through the journal articles and checked for plagiarism from those sources and did not find anything. However, Sargent et al. does not actually explain how homologous recombination works. I would recommend citing one of the standard genetics textbooks for that information and/or Kuzminov. As I'm one of the OAs for this course, I obviously can't approve it for DYK once these issues are resolved so this article still needs an independent review, preferably by someone who can check those book sources. If that reviewer doesn't have access to the textbooks, I can order copies of the books and send copies of the journal articles if that would be helpful. Keilana|Parlez ici 23:24, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Reviewer should also make sure the issues raised by Keilana have been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)





Articles created/expanded on November 1[edit]

Koller's sickle

  • ... that Koller's sickle is a local thickening of cells at the posterior edge of the area pellucida in avian gastrulation?

5x expanded by Blairwal (talk), Allielew00 (talk). Nominated by Blairwal (talk) at 01:48, 2 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length and date verified (4847 characters, Updated >5X on 11/02). Stub template removed. Hook is implied in the article but not clearly stated in the article with an immediate in-line citation. Please consider choosing another hook or edit the article. The references look good but could use a few more from the list of references on the Talk page from this editor. Since ref 2 and 3 are both article freely available online, please consider add links to the articles in the citations. First nomination, no QPQ needed. ChemLibrarian (talk) 21:41, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg There have been subsequent edits to the article: I suggest that the reviewer check both the hook issue and the sourcing issue, and also do a close paraphrasing check, since so many sources are available online. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:20, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Is it possible to find other interesting facts in the article that can be incorporated into this hook? APerson (talk!) 20:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Would this be any good? - ALT1 ...that Koller's sickle is also Rauber's sickle? --Bcp67 (talk) 11:55, 17 December 2013 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on November 3[edit]

Violence against doctors in China

Created/expanded by LT910001 (talk). Self nominated at 00:26, 3 November 2013 (UTC).

  • I am a new contributor to DYK and this looks very confusing, so I'd like to contribute this DYK, but am a little unsure about everything (so there might be some formatting errors). LT910001 (talk) 00:28, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment - Hi You'll need 1500 characters of pure prose. This looks a bit light. Victuallers (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
  • It may look "light" because of the short sections, but it's actually 1785 prose characters. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Per the list provided by User:Allen3 here, I stopped by to check for compliance with Wikipedia's sourcing guidelines for medical text; I will leave source verification, copyvio checking, etc to other DYK reviewers. The article did not have PubMed identifiers (PMIDs), so as I checked the sources, I added them. Several of the sources used are editorials or letters/comments in journals. In this case, we at minimum should have in-text attribution (because although journal-published, these letters are opinion rather than peer-reviewed fact), and considering that sourcing, it might be good to have attribution on most of the claims made in the article (that is, say who is making each of these claims, as you see The Economist article does). The Economist is used to cite the hook, which doesn't bother me as this isn't so much a health-related claim as a crime statistic. In other words, although I don't have MEDRS concerns, I do have concerns that the article is sourced to some editorials and comments (which I can't access to better opine on), but will leave the rest of this to regular DYK reviewers. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:43, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. I take it although you have concerns, you support the DYK nomination? LT910001 (talk) 00:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't support or not-- I only came by to check for MEDRS issues. A regular DYK reviewer, who understands the rest of the criteria, makes that decision. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I am nervous about putting an article like this on the Main Page with this amount of content in it. It's just my opinion, but I feel that an article that deals with a problem and/or a primarily negative social phenomenon should have more detail, especially if the article is making such claims as "it is a crisis". See for example Violence against Indians in Australia controversy for an article about a similar topic with similar scope. It's not a requirement of course that articles be that long and I think the article does pass WP:N easily, but I don't think it would be a good idea to link something like that on the main page with so little information. Again though, this is just my opinion and if someone else disagrees, I'm fine with that. Thingg 00:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5[edit]

No More Hell to Pay

Created by HotHat (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 20:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Bit of a quote farm - might need some more original text here. Gatoclass (talk) 05:23, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Done. If it still needs work, let me know, please.--¿3family6 contribs 18:55, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg As Gatoclass says "bit of a quote farm" and as 3family says "If it still needs work" and goes on to say "let me know". I have to say that it does need more "work". Nearly every sentence that I looked at had someone's name and quote marks in it. Can you synthesize the information and use references if you want to credit the occasional quote.... and find a nuetral view? Victuallers (talk) 10:27, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I've done some summarizing and quote reduction. I'm trying to strike a balance between summarizing content and including the perspectives of particular critics, especially in the review section.--¿3family6 contribs 03:45, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I am so sorry about the quotes in the article, which I will work on doing a better job in the future with respect to other articles that I will be creating on Wikipedia.HotHat (talk) 06:27, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Extensive revision has been done; this needs a complete new review from the ground up, though keeping in mind whether previous issues have been sufficiently dealt with. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Long enough, new enough, no QPQ necessary. I have fixed the referencing in #Commercial performance and #Track listing. Hook is sourced. Good to go.--Launchballer 13:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)






Articles created/expanded on November 11[edit]

Water-gas shift reaction

5x expanded by Ajc540 (talk), Zwickipedia (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 10:19, 15 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Well this is an academic view of a subject. Thats not a criticism, but it does require a lot of work to look at. The hook should have got a lot more interest - hydrogen from water sounds like an april fuel joke. Could you please check through the article and ensure there is a ref on every para - expecially at the end of a para. Hope this help.
If any other scientists are passing then do feel free to help Victuallers (talk) 11:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • This is a very interesting fact and seems quite appropriate to put it on the Wikipedia main page. I mean noone knows about this.Fremantle99 (talk) 22:52, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Note: Fremantle99 erroneously changed the "passed" parameter to "yes"; this should only be done when closing a nomination, not when approving it. If you intended to approve this nomination, the correct thing to do is add "{{subst:DYKtick}}" (or "{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}" if the hook fact reference is not available to you) to your review. If you are approving this, please make sure you've checked the items which will be listed above when you edit this nomination template, and it would help to state that you've checked them. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:45, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. "Seems quite appropriate" does not address actual DYK criteria like length, age, sourcing, close paraphrasing, neutrality, etc. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Review

  • Length is a problem. Pre-expansion from Sept 2013 is 2 782 characters, after expansion in Nov 2013 is 11 850 characters (and this is also the current version, as at this review). This is a 4.2595x expansion, short of the 5x requirement by 2 060 characters. This is grounds for rejection, though I do see scope for some further expansion.
  • Hook fact is undoubtedly true, this is well-known chemistry documented / discussed in standard texts. However, I see no direct reference attributed inline to the statement that the water-gas shift reaction produces hydrogen from water.
  • Copyvio check reveals no problems.
  • Content - I have some concerns:
    • There are several good suggestions from the talk page made by student peer reviewers for this article that have not been actioned. Given the situation with student editors often leaving once marking is complete, I am concerned that these will never be addressed by the editors who did the expansion.
    • The equation in the lede should be made into the format standard in the Chemistry WikiProject, and it should be changed to an equilibrium reaction.
    • Ideas like Fischer-Tropsch, Monsanto, and Cativa processes are introduced without description.
    • The significance of the process would be clearer if the Haber process were given greater context. We are talking about the manufacture of a feedstock chemical for a process described as the most significant discovery of the 20th century and responsible for sustaining one-third of the world's population. Does that come across from the article? It doesn't to me and I know it is true!
    • Smokefoot noted that the metal carbonyl catalysis work mentioned in the lede led to no new technology, so there is an UNDUE issue. The mechanism and other parts of the article don't really cover the metal carbonyl approach (though it was in the pre-expansion version), which should be addressed.
    • The entire mechanism section has a single reference at the start, a 2010 dissertation. I do not believe that no secondary source has addressed the mechanism of this process.
    • The temperature dependence section has a figure that appears to be a plot of a model rather than empirical data. The article uses as a model
      \log K_\mathrm{eq} = -2.4198 + 0.0003855T + \frac{2180.6}{T}

      whereas the pre-expansion version used

      \log_{10} K_\mathrm{equil} = \frac{2408.1}{T} + 1.5350 \times \log_{10} T - 7.452 \times 10^{-5} (T) - 6.7753

      I am unsure why the change but the equations are not equivalent. I'm also not wild about the log scale on the y-axis not being indicated more clearly (such as with gridlines that are non-uniformly spaced... maybe it would be better to plot log K v. T - the appearance would be the same but the scale would be +5 to −1 rather than 100 000 to 0.1.

    • The mechanism diagram is good but it is unclear to a reader unfamiliar with chemistry as to which parts are dissociative and which are redox.
    • The hydrogen economy is important enough to be included at the start of a paragraph in the lede (an unreferenced paragraph, in fact) but is only included as a passing mention in the article. The lede should be a summary. In fact, the basic process is described only in the lede and should be in the body too.
  • To be fair, this is a substantially improved article and much worse material has appeared on the main page, but the article could also be made considerably stronger with comparative ease.
  • As a nomination for another editor, no QPQ is required though it is desirable. Graeme Bartlett has plenty of DYK experience so it is a little disappointing that no QPQ is provided.

Symbol possible vote.svg At the moment, hook reference, expansion length, and references for mechanism section all need addressing for this to proceed, at a minimum. EdChem (talk) 04:40, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Captodative effect

5x expanded by DgsinUM (talk), Genger14 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 10:44, 14 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, well-referenced. Since all sources are offline, I am unable to check for close paraphrasing. No QPQ needed. Due to the technical nature of the article, it would be best for a science-oriented editor to give this a look-over before it hits the main page. Yoninah (talk) 15:22, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
I was able to get three of the sources as PDFs and can send them to anyone who wants to help. It's of interest that the article went through a kind of peer review already at Talk:Captodative effect. The basic drift of the article makes sense. My only observation is that it could be a trifle more friendly to non-specialists. This shouldn't be an obstacle at DYK. The article is explaining how you can get certain organic reactions to go faster. The content looks to be correct and the diagrams seem to be newly-drawn by the creators, so there shouldn't be a copyright problem. Just under the first diagram, there is a comment about 'figure 1' but we don't number our figures on Wikipedia. Maybe this should be rephrased. (This could be a reference to Figure 1 of Viehe, Janousek and Merenyi (1985) which is the original source of the idea). EdJohnston (talk) 23:06, 9 December 2013 (UTC)





Physical organic chemistry

5x expanded by RLM0518 (talk), Bisoxo (talk). Nominated by ChemLibrarian (talk) at 16:35, 11 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Comment: The hook should be supported by an independent source that credits Hammett with the first use (coining) of the term. Unless I am missing something, right now all we can verify is that he had a textbook with the term as its title. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 06:49, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Response: A citation is just added to the hook. The newly cited article mentioned "In 1940 a small volume by Louis P. Hammett entitled Physical Organic Chemistry; Reaction Rates, Equilibria and Mechanisms was published. The title neatly capsulizes the branch of chemical research which would become recognized as 'Physical Organic.' " Here is the citation added. Hammond, George S. (1997). "Physical organic chemistry after 50 years: It has changed, but is it still there?". Pure and Applied Chemistry 69 (9): 1919–1922. Thank you for reviewing the nomination! ChemLibrarian (talk) 16:56, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I appreciate your work. The article was long enough and new enough when nominated. We can assume good faith that the offline references check out. I don't detect any copyright violations. The remaining issue is just that the article as a whole looks undersourced in some places. A general rule of thumb for referencing is that each paragraph should have a citation. You have a couple of sections that don't appear to be based on any reliable sources. If you can tighten that up, we should be good to go. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 10:16, 12 December 2013 (UTC)







Articles created/expanded on November 12[edit]

Thigh gap

  • ... that a thigh gap is caused by genetics, and many girls cannot achieve it naturally due to their bone structure and genetic body make-up?

Created by Launchballer (talk), The Whispering Wind (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 10:41, 12 November 2013 (UTC).

  • It needs a picture, as if this goes through, that's what will be expected, or added very quickly.--Milowenthasspoken 16:28, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
There isn't a stub template on the page?--Launchballer 12:52, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Talk page. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:54, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Wow. I'm surprised this wasn't closed due to my non-response. I think it's start, but I'll have someone from WikiProject Fashion have a look at it.--Launchballer 10:59, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg I wouldn't classify the article as a stub, but there is certainly a lot of scope for expanding on the topic, using the cited news commentary. Article is new enough and already long enough for DYK. Citations are probably adequate (though I'd question the link to a model's Twitter account). Citations could do with being described more fully and accurately (I've amended the Observer and Guardian sources). Hook is factual and dry, rather than eye catching (though I was drawn to it because I evidently lead a sheltered life and had no idea this was a major phenomenon). The Times of India article is very interesting and so far under-used, for example it describes the particular genetics of Indian women. Its first line, "It's the body trend that's launched hundreds of blogs, Twitter IDs and memes in the west" has scope to underpin a more interesting hook - for example:
Alt 1 ... that the thigh gap is a recent body trend that has spawned hundreds of blogs, Twitter accounts and memes in the West?
Sionk (talk) 23:44, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Made a start on expansion and incorporated hook into text.--Launchballer 14:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Needs a second look by another DYK reviewer to make decision about Alt 1 hook. Sionk (talk) 18:17, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
How about
  • ALT2: ... that the thigh gap has been called "risky and virtually impossible" by experts?
instead?--Launchballer 19:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The ALT2 hook actually points up a problem with the article: the thigh gap itself isn't risky and virtually impossible, but achieving it is—if you don't have it naturally, it's unlikely you can get your body to that point because of insufficiently wide hips or a normal amount of muscle in the thighs. So the presentation in the article (and in the ALT2 hook) is not accurately reflecting what the "experts" are saying. The article also has additional problems: the quote directly attributed to Mysko is actually Mysko stating what "experts believe"; by omitting that important qualification, the article effectively misrepresents what she's said. Generally, it isn't the "thigh gap" itself doing things, but the desire to achieve it and/or the genetic impossibility of same that's the issue. The article needs careful editing to accurately reflect its sources and just what the thigh gap is—it's a physical actuality. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:30, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
I believe I've fixed it.--Launchballer 08:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that achievement of the thigh gap has been called "risky and virtually impossible" by specialists? --Launchballer 08:26, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm taking a break from this until the QPQ is completed, since nothing can be approved without it. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
The original hook looks best to me - I don't believe any hook including the words "thigh" and "girls" will lack views. Should that not be "women" though? Johnbod (talk) 18:04, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the second opinion. I agree that, if the original hook is used, it should say "young women" rather than girls. The Daily Mail article talks about teenage obsession with the thigh gap and, outside of the headline, refers to them as young women. Sionk (talk) 14:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)







Alex B. Novikoff

  • ... that biologist Alex B. Novikoff was dismissed from University of Vermont College of Medicine due to McCarthyism, and the university awarded him an honorary doctorate after thirty years as an apology?

Created by Chhandama (talk). Self nominated at 14:50, 12 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article created two days ago, easily long enough, and well sourced. Deceased since 1987, so no BLP issues. The hook's fact is cited to The New York Times and The Vermont Historical Society. The latter source mentions McCarthyism as a retrospective piece, though the two other contemporary sources from the 1950s cited to the prose in the body referring to this fact don't explicitly use that term. The lead, meanwhile, uses marxism. Not particularly an issue, and as it is I think this nomination meets the DYK criteria, but I'm wondering if an alt hook could be made out of all that?
ALT1 : ... that biologist Alex B. Novikoff was dismissed from the University of Vermont College of Medicine due to Marxism, but was awarded an honorary doctorate thirty years later as an apology? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:12, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Totally agreeable. Chhandama (talk) 03:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm concerned that some of the phrasing in this article is too close to that of its sources. Compare for example "ultimatum that he either return to Washington to name names or risk dismissal" with "ultimatum that he either return to Washington and name names or risk dismissal". Nikkimaria (talk) 06:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Presentation improved. Chhandama (talk) 05:15, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Okay, but more work needs to be done on paraphrasing in this article. It's not enough to simply change a few words around. To give an example, "known for his contributions to the discoveries of cell organelles...He is remembered to the general public as a victim of McCarthyism during the American anti-communist movement of the mid-20th century" remains quite similar in phrasing and structure to "known foremost for his contributions to the discovery and characterization of several cell organelles...Among a wider audience, he is notable as a victim of the excesses of the anti-communist movement in mid-20th-century America". Nikkimaria (talk) 23:00, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Still some reworking needed - for example, "stratification of junior and senior faculty" is a direct quote from the source, while "employed by the US Army after the war, in 1948, to analyse two films about enzyme and carbohydrate metabolism. Even then doubt about his loyalty resurfaced and his appointment was terminated" is quite similar to "in 1948, Novikoff was hired by the U.S. Army to consult on two films about enzymes and carbohydrate metabolism. Again, questions about his "loyalty" surfaced and... his appointment was terminated". Furthermore, some of the already-reworded sections are in need of significant copy-editing. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:07, 16 December 2013 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on November 15[edit]

Osvaldo Civile

Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self nominated at 17:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article and hook are confusing in places. The hook should make it clearer that the cover art depicts Civile playing turco with the Grim Reaper, rather than it appearing that they could be independent facts. The birth and death dates in the infobox of the article are messed up, and need sorting out. The article does not state that Civile drew the cover art himself, and being an offline source, I can't verify that either way. Further DYK checks not carried out. Harrias talk 12:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Actually, the cover art was not a drawing, it was a set of photos of Civile playing truco with a man (the band's singer, actually, but that's too much info for the hook) wearing the classic hood and scythe of the Grim Reaper. I have fixed the article to clarify this point. Perhaps we may change "made a cover art" to "posed for a cover art" Cambalachero (talk) 13:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Given that, I would suggest the following alternative then, although the more accurate timing makes it a little less hook-y I suppose.
  • ALT1 ... that Argentine guitarist Osvaldo Civile posed for cover art for his band Horcas, playing truco with the Grim Reaper, a few months before committing suicide? Harrias talk 15:01, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment: I may be misunderstanding the feedback here. I feel like we commonly promote hooks that are a little ambiguous. Is it truly necessary to explicitly state that he wasn't truly playing with the symbolic figure known as the Grim Reaper? If not, I would suggest ALT2: ... that Argentine guitarist Osvaldo Civile committed suicide not long after playing truco with the Grim Reaper? EricEnfermero HOWDY! 12:02, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
    • I think that the first hooks make it clear that Civile played truco with the Grim Reaper in the cover art. If we don't include that part, it would sound as if he was Dr. Strange or Thanos. Even someone who gets the point that he wasn't literally playing cards with the Grim Reaper would not understand in which circumstances did that happen. It was a cover art, but it could had also been a stunt in a concert, a parody in TV, etc. Cambalachero (talk) 12:59, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
    • The first alt hook is acceptable, except that it was a few days afterwards, not a few months. Doing albums with imagery of death is a common thing in thrash metal (in fact, there was a grim reaper in the cover art of Horcas' first CD as well), the part that makes it hook material is that both things happened so closely in time. Cambalachero (talk) 13:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Regarding the ambiguous hook, the DYK Reviewing Guide suggests that it's actually good for a hook to contain a tease or only part of the relevant information. Am I misreading that? EricEnfermero HOWDY! 13:17, 14 December 2013 (UTC)






Articles created/expanded on November 17[edit]

Going Left Right

  • ... that Department S' guitarist Mike Herbage has expressed his surprise at "Going Left Right", calling its chart placing "probably higher than it had any right to, really"?

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 01:16, 17 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article was subject to a five-time expansion in the required time-period, but I'm concerned about the high amount of quotes in the article: well over half of the content is attributed inline quotes. I think a lot more of these could be paraphrased to create a much better article. Harrias talk 13:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
It was my understanding that only blockquotes - i.e., those over fourty words - were excluded? But I've cut down the longest ones.--Launchballer 13:52, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Absolutely, DYK rules have nothing specific against it, but general Wikipedia guidelines, such as WP:QUOTE and WP:COPYVIO suggest minimising the use of direct quotations, and it would make the article read far more easily if more of the comments were paraphrased, rather than used directly. Harrias talk 16:53, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
How's it looking now?--Launchballer 22:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Personally, I'm still not convinced, but I'd recommend someone else have a look at it and provide a second opinion. Harrias talk 14:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Commendably rescued article by Launchballer (it was previously a single line stub) so that feat deserves a pat on the back. But I would agree there is more work to be done - the quotes, for example, need to be cited to the specific article (rather than the band's website page which provides the transcripts). And I don't think the band quotes arer suitable for the lede section - maybe they should be added to a renamed section called "Chart performance and critical reception"? I'm not even sure quotes from the band's guitarist are of any merit for DYK - we're normally interested here about what independent reviewers say about music releases, rather than what the band think! How about
Alt 1 ... that Department S's 1981 single "Going Left Right" has been described as "among the finest songs of the entire post-punk early '80s"? Sionk (talk) 17:30, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Right, I can't find the Punks Reunited review, but that's because the site is undergoing an overhaul. All others have been found. Minor adjustment to the hook, so you can approve it:
ALT2: ...that Department S's sophomore single, Going Left Right, has been described as "stand[ing] among the finest songs of the entire post-punk early '80s"?
The talk page says 'stub'. Are we in agreement that that refers to its previous incarnation and it is now start-class?--Launchballer 11:36, 17 December 2013 (UTC)







Articles created/expanded on November 18[edit]

James Le Jeune

Created by Enuejel (talk). Self nominated at 22:56, 17 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is long enough and new enough and is well-referenced with inline citations. The hook is quirky and interesting and is correctly formatted. The hook fact is cited from a reliable third-party source. No QPQ required as nominator's first self-nom. Looks good to go. --Bcp67 (talk) 10:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg You cannot use an actual quote in a hook without using quote marks with it; to do otherwise is a copyvio. Also, I find this hook to be a bit misleading: the quote is from the 25th anniversary of his death; it wasn't said of him while it was alive, which I had initially thought. And you might consider mentioning that he was an artist. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:19, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
  • If you look at the history of this page, you'll see that I chose the hook, so feel free to choose another one. I'll leave a talkback at the nominator's talk page. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:01, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
  • The ALT1 hook looks good; thanks. The article itself, however, should have at least one inline source citation per paragraph, and several paragraphs do not have any citations. One citation does not seem to be warranted, the one that says he was a regular at Searson's pub: the article cited mentions a single meeting at the pub, and nothing about whether LeJeune was a regular customer there. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:56, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

High pressure terranes along the Bangong-Nujiang Suture Zone

Moved to mainspace by Chasebill (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 09:57, 20 November 2013 (UTC).

  • I am working on review of this DYK nom. --Orlady (talk) 06:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is long enough and new enough. It's reasonably well footnoted. I've read some of the sources in full and others as abstracts, and I haven't seen copyvio. However, have a bunch of concerns about the article. First off, I'm not convinced that the title effectively describes the scope. The article seems to be about the tectonic interpretation of some elements of the Bangong-Nujiang Suture Zone -- it's not solely about "high pressure terranes" (which I think would more typically be described as "high pressure metamorphic" tarranes -- the term "high pressure terrane" seems to be almost unique to this Wikipedia article) in the suture zone, but also about ophiolite suites and about not-so-high-pressure metamorphic rocks. To the extent that the article is about the interpretation of that zone, it would work better as part of the Bangong suture article than as a stand-alone article. Also, my reading of the sources leads me to understand that some of the interpretations of the geologic/tectonic history that are presented in the article as fact are not actually established interpretations, but instead are the hypotheses advanced by a particular group of researchers. (Several recent papers, like this one, discuss the potential for multiple interpretations of this kind of geologic evidence.) It is OK for Wikipedia to describe current interpretations of scientific information, but Wikipedia should not present tentative interpretations as fact. I'm also not thrilled with the way the article is organized and presented (it's structured more like a scientific paper than an encyclopedia article), but those kinds of problems are not as significant. I'll be interested in the article creator's reactions/responses to my comments.
If the issues with the article are satisfactorily resolved, the proposed hook fact should be revised to be something like:


  • Chasebill is keen to fix the issues so please give a chance! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:03, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Glad to hear that. Since it took 19 days to get this nomination reviewed, I think we owe Chasebill ample time to respond. --Orlady (talk) 04:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I see some edits to the article on December 11. Do those fix the issues, or is there more to be done? (I imagine the semester is just about over...) BlueMoonset (talk) 01:34, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

River bank failure

Moved to mainspace by Zandra619 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 19:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough, and it utilizes appropriate sources which are internally cited within the text. There are no copyvios, and the hook's content is sourced and verifiable. A QPQ review is not required. I've also added relevant categories to the article. -- Caponer (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'm concerned that some of the phrasing in this article is too close to that of its sources. Compare for example "Pore water pressure in the saturated bank reduces the frictional shear strength of the soil and increases sliding forces. This type of failure is most common in fine grained soils because they cannot drain as rapidly" with "The pore water pressure in the bank reduces frictional shear strength of the soil and increases sliding forces by adding weight to the soil mass. This type of failure tends to occur in fine-grained soils that do not drain rapidly". There are also some instances of the source being misinterpreted: for example, the sentence "If the cohesionless soil is at the toe of the bank, these layers are protected by the layers of cohesive soil" is supported by a source that says "Where cohesionless soil is not at the toe of the bank, the layers of cohesionless soil are protected by adjacent layers of cohesive soils" (my emphasis). Nikkimaria (talk) 17:10, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
I have found that Zandra619 is likely doing exams, and so not giving priority to this. But perhaps if it waits a week it can be sorted out. The course instructor is keen to get this fixed! Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:11, 10 December 2013 (UTC)







Articles created/expanded on November 21[edit]

Church Clothes 2, Round of Applause (Lecrae song)

Created by Br100x (talk), 3family6 (talk), Walter Görlitz (talk), and 90.230.9.103 (talk). Nominated by 3family6 (talk) at 03:16, 28 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Nominated on the 7th day of creation so i believe it just about makes it, long enough, interesting hook, sourced, QPQ done. But I'm not sure if I need to review BOTH blurb links. Anyhoo, just did and it is fine there too...although the article could use some sectioning (tagged by me)
Tracklist section needs a source. Then good to goLihaas (talk) 17:24, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
-Done.--¿3family6 contribs 18:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Not seeing the time of the song oin the source. Maybe just remove it from teh WP article?Lihaas (talk) 16:28, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Arne Pedersen

  • Reviewed: not a self-nom
  • Comment: I found this today and it should have been nominated two days ago, but I hope that's okey

Created by Badmotorfinger (talk). Nominated by Mentoz86 (talk) at 17:26, 28 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I accept this 7-day nomination. No QPQ needed. Article has sufficient character length, but 3 out of 4 sources were published after his death (2 are obituaries). Do you have any other refs that show his notability during his lifetime? Is this a possibility? Yoninah (talk) 10:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your review. It's hard to find online quality-sources about footballers that played during that era, and the detailed obituaries are handy when creating articles about former players. The link you found, is actually about an exhibition about Arne Pedersen's life and footballing career at the local museum in Fredrikstad (Maybe I should go visit it). With 40 caps for Norway, Pedersen does pass WP:NFOOTY, but I'll have a look if I can find some more coverage. Mentoz86 (talk) 11:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg I'm not going to hold up this nomination, as he does meet the notability guidelines, and it is a solid "start" article. Please feel free to add more refs as you find them, Mentoz86. Foreign-language hook ref verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:27, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • "Most-winning" is a very vague term that is not defined in the article either, I would like a clearer statement of the meaning, at least in the article. Gatoclass (talk) 13:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Under the circumstances, this shouldn't be promoted until Gatoclass's issue is addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't know if I've got it right, but he is the most-winning player because of his 6 league-titles and 3 cup-titles. The hook could be changed to "that Arne Pedersen won six-titles and three cup-titles with Fredrikstad, which makes him the most-winning player at the club?" though I like it short. Mentoz86 (talk) 20:31, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
  • BTW the dictionary term is "winningest". Yoninah (talk) 20:39, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Roast Busters

  • ... that a company based in the United Kingdom changed its name following an unrelated underage sex scandal in New Zealand?
  • Reviewed: This is currently a big topic in New Zealand, and it certainly has attracted international media attention. Mostly written by User:Camfairweather; the other main contributor uses an IP address (looks like an experienced editor, but given that these are the only contributions of that editor, I suspect that it's a Wikipedian who does not want to edit this topic under their login). Do we give DYK credits to anons? I have added the IP address for the time being.

Created by Camfairweather (talk), 115.188.118.214 (talk). Nominated by Schwede66 (talk) at 02:38, 24 November 2013 (UTC).

  • I've edited this a bit, but it has big BLP issues and needs a specialist review. Johnbod (talk) 18:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm not quite sure what your concerns are. Your edits are certainly helpful, but what BLP issues do you see? Yes, some boys boasted about things that got them into deep trouble, but everything is referenced back to reliable sources (which are plentiful), so what is your concern? Schwede66 18:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • See what I mean folks? Allegations of "gang rape" etc of underage girls by boys, some named, themselves perhaps underage, with no arrests, never mind convictions. What could possibly go wrong? Johnbod (talk) 23:08, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Should not be mainpaged due to the BLP aspects. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • "No arrests" is exactly why this turned into such a big story in New Zealand, as arrests were exactly what the public was expecting. The Police said their hands were tied, as none of the victims had come forward with a formal complaint. Over the next few days, it transpired that three girls had been to police over the years, and that's why the high level investigation into police conduct is underway. But again, all of that is explained in the article based on mainstream sources. So what is the problem? Schwede66 07:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • See WP:BLPCRIME and WP:BLP generally. There are things stated in Wikipedia's voice that should not be, and some that probably should not be included at all. I swopped an "alleged" for "known" to "Currently, there are three known members of the group..." (who were then named), but more is needed along these lines, as they have not even been arrested, so all this is presumably based on media speculation. The media will have checked their wording very carefully with lawyers, qualifying the statements they make, and our article needs checking by a specialist. Johnbod (talk) 12:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • What the public expects is of no concern to Wikipedia. We are not interested in convicting persons in the media without arrest, charge or a fair trial. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 23:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I removed the names of the persons, as none have been so much as arrested and it is possible/likely that they themselves were underage at the time of the alleged offenses. Moreover, a source states that one of the persons has been effectively cleared, as he is no longer under any investigation. If and when charges are laid, I have no objection to reintroducing the names at that time. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2013 (UTC)




Tilted block faulting

Moved to mainspace by Aturn4000 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 06:51, 22 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, well-referenced. As all sources are offline, unable to check for close paraphrasing – but the cited lines are of a short enough nature, and some words are put in quotes, to indicate that the writer has paraphrased his/her research. No QPQ needed. I have 2 concerns about the nomination, however. 1) The hook is a little boring, and unless you click on extensional tectonics in the lead, you wouldn't know it's talking about "stretching" the upper crust. 2) The article has been tagged as an orphan. Could the page creator please add links to other articles that discuss the same ideas so we can remove this tag before the article appears on DYK on the main page? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Resolved reviewers concern. spiced up hook with explicit mention to extensional stretching. linked page to "fault blocks" and "extensional tectonics". Thank you very much for the review.

Aturn4000 (talk) 00:32, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

  • I see that you corrected the lead; thanks. Where is your alternative hook? Also, an orphan is an article with 3 or fewer links to other Wikipedia pages. You've removed the tag, but made links to only 2 pages. Yoninah (talk) 00:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, thanks for the clarifications. I"ve additionally attached links to "tempe butte" and "metamorphic core complex" Aturn4000 (talk) 01:18, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually orphan is not a reason to prevent DYK qualification. But I have linked yet another page. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
And what about the hook? A little creativity here would be appreciated. Yoninah (talk) 13:18, 12 December 2013 (UTC)



Youngest British soldier in World War I

Created by Whitney.davis (talk), Spinningspark (talk). Nominated by Spinningspark (talk) at 13:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Perhaps I'm confused, but shouldn't this article be called "Sidney Lewis"? It is the person that is the topic here, not the record itself. Yes, I see that there is another person mentioned, but as that person also has plenty of historical background as well, that should be another article on its own. Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't think that either Maher or Lewis merit an article on their own. They are both solely notable for being very young boy soldiers in WWI so an article on the individual persons would fail WP:ONEEVENT. A couple of other things to note: Maher was never claimed to be the youngest soldier in WWI (although only 13) so an article on him is doubly unjustified. The claim is rather for an unnamed boy Maher met. Also note that this boy was actually on the front at age 12, which is younger than Lewis as he had passed his 13th birhtday by the time he was deployed. If Maher's claim is ever authenticated then this other boy may well turn out to have signed up before Lewis as well. SpinningSpark 21:13, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm with Maury. "Being the youngest British participant in World War I" wasn't an 'event', particularly in the sense of that policy: the page should either be divided among its participants or made a part of a larger British child soldiers or Child soldiers in World War I article. Cf. the other entries of Category:Child soldiers.

    There are other issues with this particular article. See the talk page. — LlywelynII 10:42, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Emended hook. — LlywelynII 10:54, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Additionally, regarding the use of The Daily Mirror and Daily Mail as sources, see WP:PUS. The Telegraph article just cites the Times article, so you're back down to one source. (It does support the emended hook, though.) — LlywelynII 11:03, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • That is an essay, not a guideline. Further, it doesn't say don't use them, it says don't use them if more reliable sources are available. Additionally, The Mirror is the paper that reported the story in 1916 so is the original source. The reputation of the paper in 1916 was almost certainly much greater than it is now. In any event, the existence of the esssay does not reduce the number of sources to one, that is an empty argument.
  • You may have a case for incorporating this into a wider ranging article, but that is a much greater enterprise which I personally do not intend to undertake. If someone else wants to do it then I have no objection. However, I don't really see why that should be a barrier to DYK; the article is a perfectly fine canddate for DYK as it is. SpinningSpark 16:44, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
    It's an explanation of WP:RS, which is a guideline, and you do have more reliable sources available. If you want to cite the 1916 article, that's great. Do that. Meanwhile, [please] don't use British tabloids. — LlywelynII 23:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
    I can't believe that you have read the sources and still come to the conclusion that the only one needed is the Telegraph article. The Mail article has a wealth of information that is not in the Telegraph. This includes reprints of the mother's letters, the exact unit Lewis fought in, his age at the Battle of the Somme, that Lewis served in bomb disposal in WW2, that he fought at Delville Wood, and he served in Austria after re-enlisting. The Mail may have its "exagerations" when it comes to reporting on one of its hobby-horses like immigration, striking workers, or the Labour government, but in this case it looks to me like a well-researched piece entirely based on the primary sources. In my view the only RS issue here is in the "quality" broadsheets changing Daily Mirror into "papers at the time" because they don't want to mention the Mirror was the paper that originally reported the story - a fact found only in the Mirror. SpinningSpark 11:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
    The only one needed is the Sunday Times. The Telegraph article just says "I read the ST and this is what it said". The Mail article has plenty of info. It's also a tabloid. If it was the primary source for the article, add the original to the External Links section but (per WP:PRIMARY) you still shouldn't use it as an actual source for your article.

    I really do get your frustration here, but it's not like I am responsible for the reputation the Mail has brought upon itself. — LlywelynII 14:10, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
    Isaw your underline, I got the Telegraph and the ST the wrong wway round in my previous post.
    I am now at a complete loss to understand what you are talking about. The Mail is not a primary source in the sense meant in WP:PRIMARY. It is an important source of information for the article, but that is not what is meant in WP:PRIMARY. Nor does it say that primary sources should be placed in the EL section - wherever did you get that from? It also does not say that primary sources should not be used at sources, only that they should be used with care. Basically, if the Mail is removed as a source that will leave a good half of the information on Lewis uncited so I am not going to do that and it is baffling why you are still maintaining that only the Sunday Times is needed. I can't comply with your request without eiher leaving the article short of cites or else butchering it, and I am not going to do that.
  • Please stop tinkering with the markup in my posts and the hook. I have put them back to how I originally wrote them. If you want to suggest another hook, fine, do it as an ALT. If you want to correct me on something I have written, do it in your own posts. SpinningSpark 19:39, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg (Inter alia) Pending restoration of the wording supported by the article's sources, this is a fail. — LlywelynII 16:12, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
    Here is the hook as you amended it, SpinningSpark 18:10, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


Frank Macey, 1925 FA Charity Shield, 1926 FA Charity Shield

Created by Struway2 (talk). Self nominated at 10:07, 21 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Comment, hopefully to make it easier for the reviewer.
  • In Frank Macey, the hook fact is in the lead.
  • In the Charity Shield articles, Macey's 2 of the Amateurs' 6 goals in that year's match is in the lead. For 1925, his 1926 achievement is in the last line of the article. For 1926, his 1925 achievement is in the 2nd para of the Match summary section.
  • In each case, the fact is referenced by a match report from an offline contemporary newspaper and, for convenience, an online, accurate, but not provably reliable source. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:30, 26 November 2013 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on November 22[edit]

Li (surname 李), Li (surname 厉), Li (surname 栗)

Chinese character for Li (李)

  • ... that while Li (character pictured), shared by more than 100 million people, is one of the most common surnames in the world, Li and Li are far less common?

5x expanded by Zanhe (talk). Self nominated at 20:47, 26 November 2013 (UTC).

  • I don't believe that these articles are eligible. I believe that history merges should be performed. I don't think recreating from scratch was the correct action.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:12, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg These have to be considered expansions of the previously existing articles. As it says at WP:DYKSG#A4: "Fivefold expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter how bad it was (copyvios are an exception), no matter whether you kept any of it and no matter if it were up for deletion." At the moment, only the third article qualifies as a 5x expansion; the first two do not, with the expansion required for Li (surname 李) being to 9370 prose characters from 1674 (it's currently 7620), and for Li (surname 厉) being to 3060 prose characters from 612 (it's currently 2490). BlueMoonset (talk) 23:09, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Looks like I underestimated the amount of work needed to expand the articles. I expanded the second article a bit more, which should now meet the 5x requirement, but more work is still needed for the first one. I'll be travelling for holiday for the next three weeks or so, and will be online only intermittently. I'll have to deal with the issues after I come back. Thanks. -Zanhe (talk) 21:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Can you please request the history merges at WP:AN.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
As long as you can get to this before it is at the top of the DYK nominations queue, I'll consider it.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)




Sin código

  • ... that there was a project for a film of the Argentine television series Sin código?

Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self nominated at 03:29, 24 November 2013 (UTC).

  • I copyedited the article for grammar. I would suggest slightly different wording for the hook (unless we can come up with a more interesting hook). ALT1: ... that there were plans to make a film based on Argentine television series Sin código? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EricEnfermero (talkcontribs) 00:11, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough, long enough, adequately referenced. Foreign-language refs AGF. QPQ done. The hook is not so hooky, though. How about:
  • ALT2: ... that Argentine telenovela Sin código (Without Rules) was nominated for Martín Fierro Awards every year it aired, and won three awards in 2005? Yoninah (talk) 23:44, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg ALT2 needs reviewing; striking original hook and ALT1, both of which are "not so hooky". BlueMoonset (talk) 01:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Angel Guts: Red Classroom (album)

Jamie Stewart in a 2009 Former Ghosts interview

Created by Czar (talk). Self nominated at 20:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC).

  • "eponymous" usually refers to the name of someone or something which something else is named after (e.g. a band's eponymous album has their name as its title), so that doesn't feel quite right for this nomination. How about;
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Bcp67 (talkcontribs) 20:32, 5 December 2013‎ (UTC)
Sounds good, though I'm not sure it matters. Modified the original. czar  02:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. QPQ done. Image is public domain, though I think it distracts from the hook because the person in the picture isn't named. Hook is catchy and hook ref verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:28, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


James Caudy

Caudy's Castle

Created by Caponer (talk). Self nominated at 04:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Before undertaking a review, I'd like to mention that I find it hard to believe that 53 citations are all cited to one page in Munske & Kerns (footnote 1). Yoninah (talk) 23:52, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I may have over cited within the article's prose, but every citation denotes information gleaned from that page in Munske & Kerns. Other than that, I don't know what else to tell you. -- Caponer (talk) 04:08, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, would an image taken of the page in question from Munske & Kerns (2004) assist you in your review? I would like to assuage your doubts about the citations from this page within the article. -- Caponer (talk) 01:17, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, it would. Yoninah (talk) 20:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks Yoninah! Please let me know if you need any additional resources to complete your review. Thanks again for taking the time! Munske & Kerns 2004 link -- Caponer (talk) 01:56, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in the sources I can access. QPQ done (only 1 was needed for this nomination). Hook is very hooky and verified both in the link you sent me and in the historical marker pictured in the article. Excellent research job, and very good article! Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 17:30, 16 December 2013 (UTC)



Antonio Jesús Martín Gaitán

5x expanded by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 19:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Definitely a five-fold expansion, was 508 characters, now 2877. Hook is suitably sourced and everything looks good. –anemoneprojectors– 09:17, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Approaches to prejudice reduction

Created/expanded by Secastel (talk). Self nominated at 23:42, 26 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is long enough (15,107 chars when created and currently 14,567) and new - created on 22 November and nominated 26 November. Each para has at least one citation and multiple sources are cited but it's difficult to assess for copyvio or close paraphrase because all the cited sources are printed, none are online. There are a number of statements which are unsupported by citations, e.g."It is not entirely clear how these results translate when considering existing social groups in real-world settings", or "As most of these studies consist of one-time sessions, it is unclear how long the positive effects of the strategies last."
The hook itself is correctly formatted but I am unable to establish where it is mentioned in the article. Sections deal with various approaches to prejudice reduction but I can see nothing specific to support the hook. Maybe one of the cited statements could be used as an alternative hook but at the moment I can't pass this for DYK. --Bcp67 (talk) 10:28, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 23[edit]

Serafín Zambada Ortiz

Created/expanded by ComputerJA (talk). Self nominated at 19:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Style, format and referencing all appear fine, assuming good faith on non-English references. Checked and passed for copyvio. Looks good to me. --benlisquareTCE 11:49, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Turn Me Out

  • Comment: All the sources which mention the original - i.e. as a sample for the 2 Shoes and Russ Chimes versions - attribute the song to Brown only, which would lead me to believe that that is common knowledge. Also, the section about the 2 Shoes version is directly copied from User:Launchballer/Shoes (see this exchange on Peridon's talk page).

5x expanded by Launchballer (talk). Self nominated at 10:08, 23 November 2013 (UTC).

  • The song was released in 1994. I added details, so you can help me copyedit it. George Ho (talk) 02:46, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I added two more hooks. You can amend the original hook. George Ho (talk) 02:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

--Launchballer 10:52, 2 December 2013 (UTC)









Picture Rock Pass Petroglyphs Site

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nominated at 02:15, 23 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Just a comment. I'd suggest that you replace the current hook with something based on your "However, they were probably created during either Clovis Period (10,000 and 12,000 years ago) or the Stemmed Point Period that followed (7,500 to 10,000 years ago), placing the likely period of the rock carvings sometime between 7,500 and 12,000 years ago." sentence. The original hook is kind of long, but petroglyphs this old in the open air are surely extremely rare (the Indian God Rock petroglyphs are seemingly less than 1000 years old, but still badly eroded by natural processes) and thus a better subject for a hook. Nyttend (talk) 13:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Here's alternative hook per your suggestion. Hook source is same as above, Ref 5 pp. 2.28-2.29.--Orygun (talk) 18:42, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
ALT: ... that the Picture Rock Pass Petroglyphs located in northern Lake County, Oregon were likely created during the Clovis or Stemmed Point period sometime between 7,500 and 12,000 years ago?

Picture Rock Pass Petroglyphs

  • There is a suitable image at



  • Don’t know who suggested adding image, but image above is included in article and would go well with hook. Would need to add “...(petroglyph diagram pictured)...” since this is a diagram of the petroglyph’s layout; not an image of petroglyphs themselves.--Orygun (talk) 23:45, 25 November 2013 (UTC)


per above:

Slapdash hook writing: "located" and "sometime" are totally redundant, "likely" unidiomatic in British English, & "northern" much more precise than we need, thank you. Article looks fine, but another review needed. Johnbod (talk) 18:21, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

The following has been checked in this review by Maile
  • QPQ done by Orygun on exactly the date of the nomination
  • Article created by Ipoellet on October 17, 2013 as a redirect
  • Article became a non-redirect on November 23, 2013 by Orygun and has 5,692 characters of readable prose
  • Every paragraph sourced
  • Alt 3 Hook is 160 characters and sourced online at the end of the sentence, as stated above by the nominator
  • Earwig (Copyvio check) found no violations
  • Duplication Detector run on each online source, no issues found
  • Disambig links tool shows no issues
  • External links tool shows no problems, only indicating two links that require membership
  • Image is the nominator's creation and freely licensed on Commons


New Yaohan

The orginal building of New Yaohan till 2008 since the establishment in 1992

Created by Sdee (talk). Self nominated at 02:58, 23 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg. Hook is not cited and cannot be verified yet. Numerous grammatical errors are also present and have to be rectified before this article gets approved even if the hook gets a proper reference and is verified. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:20, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I've done some copyediting on the article. --Canley (talk) 06:05, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you.The problem still is that the hook is uncited and the establishment year of the store is not clear if it is 1992 or 1997. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Would you let me know for the errors so that I can review in the article. Thank you.--TINHO (talk) 06:23, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
  • @Sdee: Yes, for starters can you supply a reference to verify the hook fact that: that New Yaohan is the first department store in Macau? Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:56, 25 November 2013 (UTC)
  • @Dr.K.:, I added back the reference. For the year with 1992 or 1997, I do not know how to handle since Yaohan is established in 1992 but the New Yaohan takeover in 1997. Hope you can give me some suggestion to solve that.--TINHO (talk) 01:13, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I had a look for some references: Frommer's Hong Kong travel guide says "...the 1993 opening of Macau's first full-fledged department store, New Yaohan.". The Macau Daily Times says that New Yaohan is the "the sole department store in the region", but that does not necessarily mean it was the first. --Canley (talk) 00:51, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
  • @Canley:, do you mind to point out the question that you do not understand?--TINHO (talk) 15:02, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Oh, I understand it all, I was just including some other references I'd found for the hook item. --Canley (talk) 03:00, 29 November 2013 (UTC)



Bunkyo Civic Center

Bunkyo Civic Center

5x expanded by Sdee (talk). Self nominated at 14:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Comment: is that supposed to say "was formerly Bunkyo City Hall" ? The article also says "formally", which I believe is not the correct use of this word. Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû (blah?) 23:48, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
  • thank you for let me know the typo. thank you so much.--TINHO (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 24[edit]

Barna Hedenhös

Created by BabbaQ (talk), GoingBatty (talk), Werldwayd (talk). Nominated by BabbaQ (talk) at 9:49 am, Today (UTC−8).

  • This is a comment on the hook, not a review. Please see Negro. Given the time frame of those books, "Negro" would have been polite terminology. Lacking something. Offensive would be if the word was Nigger. — Maile (talk) 13:46, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I think that is the point really. It wasnt offensive then but with todays standard for childrens books it is considered offensive which is stated in the article.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:44, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I don't see the point you're trying to make in the hook. The article also needs a grammatical copyedit, especially in the lead, which should summarize the main points of the article. As it is, the lead is overlong, the copy is very repetitive, and the notable part, about the book being accused of racism, is buried in the last paragraph. BabbaQ, if you are both a page creator and nominator, a QPQ is in order. Best, Yoninah (talk) 00:01, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. And if you look closely again you can see that QPQ is already done :) best,--BabbaQ (talk) 18:55, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Thanks for the copyedit. There is now a tag in the last paragraph that says the material being quoted is not in the source. What would you like to do about that? Regarding the hook, how about something more hooky:
  • ALT1: ... that Bonnier Carlsen temporarily halted its re-release of one of the Barna Hedenhös Swedish children's books because the 1950 publication refers to Native Americans as "red skins"? Yoninah (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Like your new hook. I think I have taken care of the issue that you requested. If not let me know. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 20:15, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Great. Unfortunately, I can't approve my own hook per DYK rules. All the other preliminary work is taken care of – article is new enough, long enough, well-referenced, QPQ done. Foreign-language hook ref AGF. Could another reviewer sign off on this please? Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Basil Valentine

Allegorical illustration for the third key of Basil Valentine

5x expanded by Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk). Self nominated at 21:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg It needs citations for the paragraphs that describe the pictures. Links to the source given in the picture description would do. Looks good otherwise - new enough, long, AGF on offline citations, neutral, hook is sourced and not too long. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)



Filipino women artists

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nominated at 01:33, 25 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Brilliant and vital article, reliable citation and neutral tone. Article created within date, with sufficient length. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The proposed hook does not appear to be correct and is not supported by the given source. The source states only that the named artist was the "first woman artist to gain auspice in Philippine art history"; it does not claim that she dates the beginning of the history of Filipino women artists. Given the extensive pre-colonial history of female pottery-making in the Philippines, such a claim would be incorrect. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
You seem to be quarrelling with the source rather than the hook, perhaps with reason. Pretty dreadful writing, & could do with a general re-write. "dates back TO", please. Johnbod (talk) 18:29, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Only half: I think the source leaves much to be desired, but also the article is far more broad than the source supports. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


Women in Philippine art

Scientia, or The Triumph of Science over Death by José Rizal

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nominated at 21:05, 24 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is newly created and long enough. However, the hook is about a specific artist, and a specific sculpture, rather than the more general subject of women in Philippine art. The article could be a very welcome and interesting addition to Wikipedia, but I'd also question whether the article is adequately sourced at the moment; the overview is cited to a student essay, of undetermined origin or authority. Which source says Amorsolo, Luna, Hidalgo and Rizal are key artists to the portrayal of women? Book sources will need to cite the page number(s). There are several other paragraphs which are completely uncited.
Possibly the "Love, passion and patriotism" book is the best general overview so far of attitudes to women and sexuality in Philipinne art, maybe a more general fact can be gleaned and used as a hook? Sionk (talk) 11:52, 26 November 2013 (UT
Thank you for your comment and for reviewing the article. Pages for the referenced book has been supplied. See the general hook I placed below:
Alt 1: ... that the three sculptures of Filipino national hero José Rizal is just an example of how sexuality is viewed in relation to women in Philippine art? - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:19, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Alt 2: ... that in relation to sexuality and women in Philippine art, Filipino national hero José Rizal did not want Filipino women to be like European women? - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:55, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
Alt 3: ... that one rule of thumb in depicting Filipino women in art is to put emphasis on their distinct physical attributes and their similarity to a blushing girl? - AnakngAraw (talk)
Symbol possible vote.svg Well, of those three Alt 2 has the most scope, possibly:
Alt 4: ... that in relation to women in Philippine art, Filipino artist José Rizal did not want Filipino women to be like European women?
However, I still have concerns about the article, there are very few (almost no) sources about the general subject. If there are no existing authoritative studies of the subject it is on a weak footing. Anyway, someone else will need to review Alt 4 and maybe they will be more charitable. Sionk (talk) 03:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)



Pedro Cordero Martin

5x expanded by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 14:21, 24 November 2013 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg The following has been checked in this review by Matty.007
  • QPQ taken care of
  • Article 5* expanded by LauraHale on 24 November 2013, and has 2706 characters of readable prose
  • Every paragraph is sourced. However, prose is a bit jerky, "He was part of the Spain team in the BC1-BC2 boccia team event. His team finished third.[1] He won a bronze medal at the 2009 European Championships.[3] Competing at the 2010 World Championships, he finished third". Any chance of rejigging of sentence structure?
  • Earwig @ Toolserver found no copyvios
  • Competition at 2008 Paralympics needs sourcing, as does the 2012 Paralympics. The hook is also a little jerky. How about Alt 1: that Pedro Cordero Martin, the athlete representative on the Catalan Sports Federation of Cerebral Palsy, competed at the 2004, 2008 and 2012 Paralympics in Boccia? Thanks, Matty.007 20:06, 27 November 2013 (UTC)


I am fine with Alt1. --LauraHale (talk) 07:35, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg OK, this will need another reviewer. Would it be plausible to strengthen the prose in the meantime? Thanks, Matty.007 17:25, 28 November 2013 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on November 25[edit]

Boeing RC-1

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nominated at 12:37, 26 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Meets length and creation date requirements. However I just have a few comments and questions (I'm no aviation expert so these could be just my misunderstandings):
  • In the hook, I would recommend linking "the largest aircraft ever built" to Antonov An-225 Mriya, and capitalizing "Arctic".
  • In the article, there is a note explaining the claim of the RC-1 carrying 5 times the load, but no reference—do you have a citation (preferably online) for this claim? In addition to referencing this, the note might need to clarify this a bit more: from my calculation based on the note and the cargo details in the Mriya article (only the MTOW of the Mriya is mentioned in the note), it's more like four times the cargo load (2.3/0.55 = 4.18). Have I missed something?
  • The note in the article says "the RC-1 was 3.55 million points MTOW", should that be "pounds MTOW"?
--Canley (talk) 01:19, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

All fixed. I've declined the link simply because the aircraft itself is linked in the same place. The load issue is due to a missing variable - fuel. Records are set with a minimal fuel load to increase cargo, whereas the RC-1's number is for a production haul. Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:49, 27 November 2013 (UTC) Ohhh, sorry, you were talking about the hook! Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:50, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Yeah! Thanks for fixing and checking those points, that makes sense about the fuel load, I thought it might be something like that. Still no reference cited for the five times the cargo claim though—I had a look at the online references and couldn't find anything that confirmed this. Can assume good faith if it is in an offline reference, so if you have one can you include it? --Canley (talk) 04:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg A quid pro quo (QPQ) review is required for this nomination to be approved, in addition to the other issues mentioned above. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:36, 6 December 2013 (UTC)







Articles created/expanded on November 26[edit]

Oscar Trigo

Created by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 19:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg - Quality is fine, long enough, new enough when nominated. However, the fact is not cited in the article, or at least the two sentences that comprise the hook fact are not cited. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:35, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


List of Apostolic Nuncios to China

Apostolic Nunciature in Taipei, Taiwan

Created by HYH.124 (talk). Self nominated at 17:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Length, date ok. Hook doesn't have reference, needs to be addressed. Photo PD on commons. Seemingly the first DYK nomination of the user, so no QPQ needed. --Soman (talk) 04:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
    • I improved and changed the hook and it does have reference now. --Huang (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Needs check on English for main page: "Since the late Qing Dynasty of China, the Holy See and China have intentions to establish direct contacts with each other, to break free restrictions from the Protectorate of missions of France. The Holy See responded Li Hongzhang from the Qing Empire on 3 May 1870 to establish diplomatic ties, ..." Not a major job I thinkJohnbod (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2013 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on November 27[edit]

Rebeca Cofré

Cofré in 2010.

Created by Küñall (talk). Self nominated at 01:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Two extra days is acceptable, but why haven't you edited the article since you nominated it for DYK? A QPQ has not yet been done.
  • I have some questions about the content:
  • The article is long enough and well-referenced with Spanish-only sources. But I'm wondering why you're printing the original, Spanish-language text in the notes and references. As this is an English Wikipedia, it would be more appropriate to translate these quotes into English so we could understand what it says.
  • The article doesn't say much about her political career other than her election results (I removed some platitudes from the government website). Could you describe or list her accomplishments over the last 5 years in office?
  • The hook isn't so interesting – many politicians lose one election and win the next. Could you come up with another hook?
  • Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Hi there, thank you for reviewing this nomination! I did edit it afterwards :-). Regarding the Spanish-language quotes, it's been kind of my 'regular procedure' since Agustin Ross Cultural Center became my second (?) GA, and the reviewer suggested me to do that. Another translation is not needed because the quoted text is in English in the article text, and then cited in Spanish. It could be a bit difficult to add more information on Cofré, given that most info is in print, and there's little access to it online, but if I find something worthy, I'll surely add it to the article. Perhaps another hook could be:
  • I'm sorry, I don't see the same extensive Spanish quoting in the references on Centro Cultural Agustín Ross, and IMO it doesn't belong in this article. And per Rule D7, Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected. This article devotes several paragraphs to her election results and says one thing – that the city council had to meet somewhere else due to earthquake damage – about her 5 years in office. Has she done anything for the city? Has she made any major decisions? Is she controversial? This nomination can wait until you find more material. You could find newspaper references on Google Scholar. Yoninah (talk) 15:01, 17 December 2013 (UTC)



U.S.–UAE 123 Agreement for Peaceful Civilian Nuclear Energy Cooperation

U.S. Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security Ellen Tauscher and UAE Ambassador Yousef Al Otaiba exchange diplomatic notes on December 17, 2009 to bring the Agreement for Peaceful Civilian Nuclear Energy Cooperation into force.

Created by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nominated at 22:57, 30 November 2013 (UTC).





Raheel Sharif

Created by Zeshanfarooqi (talk), Mar4d (talk). Nominated by Gfosankar (talk) at 13:26, 27 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg new enough, long enough. The hook was not supported by the test in the article but is in the source. I added the word "posthumously" to help it all to match.Thelmadatter (talk) 15:01, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg I am pulling this from the queue because parts of this article are a copyvio from this source. Gatoclass (talk) 06:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Please convert the bare links in the refs as well (DYK rule #D3) SagaciousPhil - Chat 07:01, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I would also like to point out to the original reviewer that the hook must be supported in the text of the article to be acceptable in DYK. It is insufficient for the information to be in a source; if the fact is not in the article, then it is not eligible for use in a DYK hook. I have accordingly struck the hook; a new hook must be created, or the relevant facts added to the article. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:37, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
That's rather cold. Better to yell at the nominator than help him/her out? The issue was small, just that it was awarded after his death. Since the source stated such, I fixed the article. That's what we Wikipedians are supposed to do. However, I agree with the copyvio issue.Thelmadatter (talk) 14:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Don't worry, we all make mistakes - I'm sure you get it right most of the time. Bluemoonset is correct though, that the hook fact has to be in the article not just the source - I've made the same error myself on one or two occasions. Gatoclass (talk) 17:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg All are done. Please review it.--Gfosankar (talk) 14:01, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 28[edit]

Stora Blåsjön

Stora Blåsjon

Created by GoingBatty (talk), Werldwayd (talk), and BabbaQ (talk). Nominated by BabbaQ (talk) at 15:56, 2 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg - My calculations make this 1485 chars which I would overlook if it wasn't that the lede contains nearly every bit of the remaining article. The lede is intended to summarise and at present the lede is almost all that is required. Needs significant expansion and a reduction in the size of the lede to be within the idea and the spirit of the rules. Victuallers (talk) 10:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I have expanded the article and changed some of the lede so it isnt exactly similar. Also the lede is supposed to summarise the article and I have made a over 1500 chars article. If you still do not feel satisfied I would ask for a third opinion from a user. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 12:41, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg I'd give a Go here, but just pointing out that the founding of the town has been mentioned twice. I feel it is redundant to mention it in the lead, since it is present below and is sourced out there. I understand that doing so would bring the article to below 1500 chars, maybe a few tweaks here and there can be done to increase character count. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. :)--BabbaQ (talk) 14:43, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg adding "{{subst:DYKtick}} Good 2 go.--~~~~" is not a sufficient QPQ-review. Please review another article where you elaborate what you review and why it meets the DYK-criteria. The review you have used as a QPQ in this nomination have been questioned and continued by other editors - if not I would have asked you to go back and re-review that nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mentoz86 (talkcontribs) 17:29, 4 December 2013‎
Done.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:48, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg Thank you. Reinstating tick per original review. The ALT-hook was added after the original review, and I've struck it given that it is 208 characters. Mentoz86 (talk) 14:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
The hook is very weak, can't a better one be found? Gatoclass (talk) 10:27, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I think I'll just add a trimmed version of ALT1:
  • ALT2: ... that Stora Blåsjön (pictured) became known all over Sweden in 1971 when 20 miners went on a hunger strike there? Gatoclass (talk) 10:32, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • ALT3: ... that the town of Stora Blåsjön, Sweden, (pictured) has a moose farm? Gatoclass (talk) 10:41, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
I think both hooks are good. Nice work.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I like ALT3 because it's short and sweet, but I see a few problems with the article. I gave it a good copyedit, and now it's standing at 1475 char. Overall, the presentation is rather sketchy and lacks basic information. Filling out the information so the article sounds less like a travel diary and more like an encyclopedic article would bring it up to the "start" class acceptable for DYK.
    1. Where is the town located? The article gives distances from other places, but not compass directions. It's also significant that it lies next to a mountain and a lake (this information is in the Blasjon.com website).
    2. What is Brakkåfallet? The fact that the town is "known for" Brakkåfallet and Korallgrottan needs to be linked.
    3. The citation for the moose farm being "in the center of town" is the moose farm's own site. There is no citation for the statement in the lead that "Stora Blåsjön is also known for its moose farm". Are there any secondary sources that talk about the moose farm?
    4. A year needs to be provided for the (current?) population figure of 80.
  • Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── How about

  • ALT4... that the Mesklumpen skiing site near Stora Blåsjön (pictured), featuring a drop of 525 metres (1,722 ft), is in fourth place amongst the top skiing sites of Sweden?

By the way after my expansion it now stands at 2632 characters. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:04, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Or we can modify ALT3 by Gatoclass:

  • ALT5: ... that the town of Stora Blåsjön, Sweden, (pictured) has a moose farm featuring a pair of moose named Hilda and Herbert?

Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 08:37, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you, Dr. K., for coming to the rescue and making the article much more solid. Article is new enough, long enough, well-referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in English-language sources. QPQ done. I prefer ALT5; hook ref verified. If the administrator prefers ALT4, foreign-language hook ref AGF. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 10:12, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much Yoninah for your kind words and for your work copyediting and cleaning up the article. Actually ALT4 is backed up by the English version of the Stora Blåsjön website. I will add English quotes from the website for easy verification. Best regards. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 17:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your assistance, both of you :)--BabbaQ (talk) 19:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Vildmarksvägen

Vildmarksvägen between Stekenjokk and Klimpfjäll

Created by Werldwayd (talk), GoingBatty (talk), BabbaQ (talk). Nominated by BabbaQ (talk) at 15:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Comment adding "{{subst:DYKtick}} Good 2 go.--~~~~" is not a sufficient QPQ-review. Please review another article where you elaborate what you review and why it meets the DYK-criteria. The review you have used as a QPQ in this nomination have been questioned and continued by other editors - if not I would have asked you to go back and re-review that nomination. Mentoz86 (talk) 17:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Done.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:58, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article is not long enough. It currently runs at 1168 characters. It needs expansion to be considered further for DYK. Plus I cannot verify that ...sometimes also called the Stekenjokkvägen in reference [1]. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 03:29, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. And made a second hook, change it if needed.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:53, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I would suggest some more expansion because the length is just 1513 characters. As soon as someone copyedits the article it may easily fall below 1500. This is too close to the edge. Also the reference to ALT1 looks like a hotel website. Are you sure it is reliable? Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 03:00, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I will have to withdraw this nomination. It is difficult finding anymore information and I think the article is good on its own even if not mentioned at DYK. So withdrawn.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:32, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Perhaps you should reconsider. I have expanded it and included some nice new details. There was even a movie by Astrid Lindgren filmed in the area. That could be used as a hook. Not to mention that the population density of the wilderness area is less than 1 person per square km. Your choice. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:11, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
OK I searched and searched but did not find that information. So thank you!. Yes, lets go for that hook. Regards,--BabbaQ (talk) 10:28, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
You are very welcome BabbaQ. I agree. Let's go for ALT2. The problem now is that I cannot approve it because I created it. So we have to wait for some other editor to approve it. Take care. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 10:33, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
By the way the article after my expansion stands at 2662 characters. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 07:56, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough, long enough, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen in English-language sources. QPQ done. ALT2 hook is catchy and verified. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 21:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)










Articles created/expanded on November 29[edit]

Wesley Gray

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 23:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Article was created on Nov 29 and squeaks by the minimum character limit with a current (as of Dec 4) count of 1539 characters. I notice however that it has an under construction tag; I will put off finishing my review until it is removed. Thanks, Ruby 2010/2013 03:42, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Is the nominator planning on removing it anytime soon? Ruby 2010/2013 02:17, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Tag now removed so I've restarted my review. Hook is supported by a RS, article has 1539 characters, and creation date looks good. No signs of copyvio or BLP concerns. Subject seems notable as author of 2009 book. Looks good! Ruby 2010/2013 17:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)



Lucavsala

  • ... that Lucavsala was created in the 18th century by merging a lot of small islands?
  • ALT1: ... that the name of Lucavsala comes from a nobleman named Klauss Lucavs who lived on it?

Created/expanded by Srolanh (talk). Self nominated at 16:22, 27 November 2013 (UTC).

  • The article was created on Nov 26, not Nov 28. There does not seem to have been a 5-fold expansion since Nov 28.VR talk 05:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg The article was actually created on November 24, not the 29th that the nomination is currently filed under. But in any case, it was nominated within five days and that is not a problem. However, the article is not long enough, with the prose portion only being 1,363 bytes. More importantly, since the nomination, other editors have placed five different maintenance flags on the article. In particular, the sourcing for the article isn't always clear, one statement has been challenged, and one source is relied upon too heavily. The article is written in substandard English, probably by someone for whom English is not a native language. The sentences don't flow, grammar is incorrect in places, and there are misspellings and overly informal usages. So for all these reasons, as it stands the article cannot go up on the main page as part of DYK. Wasted Time R (talk) 04:18, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Providence Milwaukie Hospital

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nominated at 09:14, 1 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Kindly explain why is this hook, that illustrates a general situation, "interesting"? It seems that a large proportion of hospitals in that excel spreadsheet linked as a citation are "under-capacity". Although one has 5 more beds than licensed, some are very significantly more under capacity than the PMH both in percentage terms and in number of beds. -- Ohc ¡digame! 09:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Did you know this before you looked at the source? It is common, but I don't think it is common knowledge outside of hospital folks, which is what makes it interesting to general readers. That's the rub with hooks and the "interesting" requirement, is that it is totally subjective. What you find interesting I may not, and vice versa. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
  • The "interesting" requirement unfortunately pulls in a lot of junk, like tabloidism and use of unrepresentative quotes. While it's true that there's usually over-utilisation of resources rather than under-utilisation in state medical provision, under-utilisation deserves a mention. But when the majority of items on a list indicate it's a general state of affairs, it certainly makes it a lot less "interesting". Especially when the subject is a small hospital with only 77 beds potentially. -- Ohc ¡digame! 02:29, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
  • But you didn't answer my question, if you knew this before looking at the source. If you did not know this, then I think that lends credence to this not being common knowledge, and in my opinion, interesting. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:44, 4 December 2013 (UTC)



Linn Isobarik

William Hastie.jpg

Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self nominated at 08:10, 29 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article long enough, count at 8490 characters. Article has also been expanded 5x. Good to go. EhthicallyYours! 13:32, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I can't see where the hook fact is cited in the article. It's mentioned in the lead but there is no citation and the citation further down doesn't appear to mention the hook fact. Doesn't look good to go to me. --Bcp67 (talk) 15:07, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

OK, I haven't touched anything. Please note that paragraph 3 of the 'History' section about the name derivation is cited to [1], in which Ivor Tiefenbrun said (section 2:DOWN TO DC):

So I began to design a speaker that would go down to DC and have no fundamental bass resonance. And that is how our Isobarik (constant pressure) system came along.

Further down, the article says:

The principal benefit of the isobaric (or Isobarik) principle is that by doubling the moving (two cones and two coils), doubling the motor strength, and doubling the stiffness (two surrounds, spiders) we can produce the same low frequency extension from half the cabinet volume compared to a non-isobaric system employing the same driver type. Ivor's patent doesn't cover the isobaric loading principle (originally proposed by Harry Olson in the 1950s). Instead it covers an arrangement whereby the two drivers used in the isobaric system both point towards the front, one behind the other. In Olson's proposal the drivers were installed either face-to-face or back-to-back.

Let me know if that isn't enough. -- Ohc ¡digame! 15:39, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

  • I think at this point I'll have to admit my lack of knowledge of loudspeakers and look to another more experienced reviewer to say if this does match with the hook - apologies. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:24, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
  • Trouble is, it's kind of recursively defined and the connection would seems pretty obvious. The link between the words isn't broken by the "k" (which Linn are known to like) replacing the "hard-c", and there are few reviews still around these days that make that direct connection. I do so because I want to maximise the "interest" of the hook. -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:50, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
  • I've added an image. The author has given me permission. -- Ohc ¡digame! 04:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on November 30[edit]

Beautiful Eulogy

Created by 3family6 (talk). Self nominated at 02:38, 1 December 2013 (UTC).

Bronze Head from Ife

Bronze Head from Ife

  • Comment: Battle of Baykand

Created by Jononmac46 (talk), Victuallers (talk). Nominated by Victuallers (talk) at 22:17, 30 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length and age are both fine. No copyvio. Ref ok. Can be DYKd with image. But who is the "some" in the hook. Can that be more specific? - AnakngAraw (talk) 18:24, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
Leo Frobenius ... Victuallers (talk) 19:33, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg - Ready and set per above. Good to go. - AnakngAraw (talk) 20:05, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  • The article seems to say that Frobenius could be the origin of the Atlantis myth, but I don't think it is explicitly stated, unless I am misunderstanding. In the hook I'm reading that he created the myth. The hook is a little bit cumbersome as well. If we keep this hook, I would try starting it with "... that when the Bronze Heads from Ife..." to make it more straightforward. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 01:48, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
  • The hook change you propose is possible - do you want to create it? (the Atlantis Myth was started in ancient Greece thousands of years ago) Victuallers (talk) 09:52, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Actually, as someone who is not a subject matter expert, I find the whole section about Frobenius to be confusing. How did Frobenius undermine the Western understanding of African civilization? While that section needs to be made more clear, I find it a lot more interesting that the heads were found while digging a foundation for a house and I wonder if a simple hook could be written from that. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 11:06, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

By all means - draft these hooks. See what others think. I think that finding the evidence for white people establishing a city in Nigeria >2,000 years ago is pretty amazing but maybe you were not aware that this myth was started by Plato. However - do have a go - without a solid hook proposal however may mean that your idea and this hook just hang in the air so do draft your ideas. Victuallers (talk) 22:10, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm really not even to the point of evaluating amazing versus bland. I'm simply telling you that both the article and the hook are written in ways that leave some of your points unclear to the average reader. The alternate hook would be more straightforward, but the latter portion of the article still isn't easily understandable. I can help with hooks if you need that assistance, but I can't rewrite the section about Frobenius because I don't really understand what is being said. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 08:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Ive rephrased the article - hope this helps Victuallers (talk) 10:08, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
"Well", We! might not meet your "high" standards, FMP???? But!, we like the hook, a lot!!!! Victuallers (talk) 08:25, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg This seems to need a review at least of ALT1, and possibly of the section about Frobenius. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:02, 16 December 2013 (UTC)






Freies Volk

Created by Soman (talk). Self nominated at 03:19, 30 November 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Both the inline citations in the article relating to this sentence are found in Google Books, and moreover, they are in German. Unfortunately enough, I am not a German and this hook cannot be verified. Moreover, the article just barely passes the criteria at 1579 characters. Try to increase the length. It has not been expanded 5x since creation. Please fix the errors and provide some reliable third party English source other than German language. Anyways, good QPQ. EhthicallyYours! 08:58, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  • 5x expansion is irrelevant for a newly-created article and need not be mentioned in this review. --Bcp67 (talk) 12:42, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
The following has been checked in this review by Maile
  • QPQ done by Soman
  • Article created by Soman on November 30, 2013 and has 1,579 characters of readable prose
  • External links tool on this template shows No issues
  • Disambig tool on this template shows no issues
  • Hook length is 125 characters, well below the-200 character limit.
  • Symbol question.svg Unsure of hook sourcing, and need a review editor who understands German. Although the hook refers to the next-to-the-last sentence in the article, the two references at the end of the sentence point to two Google books wherein my searches therein do not seem to produce results that tells me they verify the hook.
  • Symbol question.svgAlthough every paragraph is sourced, much of it is Google books, same as the hook, and sometimes ony pulls up a view of the book cover..
  • Symbol question.svg Copyvio check tool would not be useful on this specific article for all the reasons mentioned Here Requires a source-by-source spot check via Duplication Detector.
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Bottom line, Soman, this looks like an interesting article and meets the date and length requirement. Expansion of this article not required to pass DYK. Because of the sourcing, I believe this nomination would be best served if completed and passed by one of the DYK reviewers fluent in the German language. Good luck. — Maile (talk) 17:05, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
  • In regards to the hook, 2 out 3 references are in English. --Soman (talk) 14:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This is precisely the reason we have a "DYKtickAGF" option. We do not require that the nomination be reviewed by someone who speaks the language in question, and we permit citations to print sources. If you're citing an online copy of a printed book, the link to the online copy is purely a convenience link, and the citation would be just as valid if you didn't provide that link. Nothing in our DYK policies or our common practise requires anything more than what Maile66 has already done. Nyttend (talk) 03:49, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Nyttend, the only reason I requested a German language reviewer, is because what was happening on the talk page at that time made me jittery of using the AGF re non-English language sourced articles. The original (fairly new) reviewer above asked me to have a look at this, which I did as a favor. Given the climate at that time on the DYK talk page, I did not want this nom to suffer the same. I wanted to give this nomination its best chance without later being pulled because of someone questioning on the basis of language.— Maile (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 1[edit]

December 2013 Spuyten Duyvil derailment

Aerial view of the bombardment by the NTSB

Created by Mjroots (talk), XailR (talk), Joseph A. Spadaro (talk), and Daniel Case (talk). Nominated by Daniel Case (talk) at 06:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Question Why such a precise title? Was there another derailment at this station in 2013, preventing us from using "2013 Spuyten Duyvil derailment"? For that matter, was there another potentially notable derailment in another year at this station, preventing us from using "Spuyten Duyvil derailment"? This shouldn't hold up the nomination; a reviewer need not wait for a response or for me to be satisfied by the response. Nyttend (talk) 03:52, 17 December 2013 (UTC)





Randall Carver

  • ... that Randall Carver portrayed taxi driver John Burns in the television series Taxi for only the first season (1978–79)?

Moved to mainspace by FairyTailRocks (talk), George Ho (talk). Nominated by George Ho (talk) at 22:48, 1 December 2013 (UTC).

Jake Diekman

Diekman pitching for the Phillies in 2012

  • Comment: Open to any rewrite, but that is the best hook. QPQ to come.

5x expansion by Go Phightins! (talk). Self nominated at 22:29, 1 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Sorry for the malformed nomination, and I apologize if there are any errors; I accidentally hit enter instead of shift when trying to add something, and the page saved when I was only half way through filling out the template. My QPQ is Template:Did you know nominations/Chris Gragg. Please let me know if there are any other problems. Go Phightins! 01:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)


Guillermo Rodriguez Gonzalez

Moved to mainspace by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 20:08, 1 December 2013 (UTC).

  • The instructions say "Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here)". Currently the article's prose is at 4092 B. A 5-fold increase in the prose of the article has occurred if we start counting from Nov 30 (241 B), but has not occurred if we start counting from Dec 1 (853 B). So please move this nomination to Nov 30.VR talk 05:19, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. Article was moved from user space to article space on December 1, meaning it was new as of that date: by definition, any article moved and nominated on the same day counts as new and nominated on time for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:10, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Dan Tan Seet Eng

  • ... that Dan Tan Seet Eng is accused by Interpol of being "the boss" of the "world's largest and most aggressive match-fixing syndicate"?
  • Reviewed: Theodor van Eupen
  • Comment: I am aware of the difficulties of BLP DYKs, but any help is appreciated

Moved to mainspace by Matty.007 (talk). Self nominated at 19:18, 1 December 2013 (UTC).

  • I understand the difficulty in finding positive or even neutral information on this guy. How about: [ALT1] ... that Dan Tan Seet Eng, a Singaporean businessman used to be the director of Exclusive Sports?VR talk 05:34, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Although it will get less views, it is probably better for a non convicted BLP. Thanks, Matty.007 06:50, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Nooo... Aside from being bone dull, that statement is sourced to the Independent, which simply confirms that The New Paper was told he was involved with the company... by Tan himself. The article only meets NOTABILITY because of his crimes; it's only being written now because he was finally arrested: the hook should deal with that while avoiding making/shading claims on his specific guilt. How about:
    ALT2: ... that Singapore had to carry out a two year investigation before arresting Dan Tan for fixing Italian soccer games because the two countries lack an extradition treaty?
    Keep the focus on the arrest and it should be fine. Meanwhile, the article itself has numerous problems, beginning with the fact that the original author doesn't understand how Tan's name works or that you don't arrest people for allegations. Lemme clean it up some before we go forward on this. — LlywelynII 10:16, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
  • In unrelated news, what is it with everyone using the Daily Mail as a source lately? Knock it off, already. ;) — LlywelynII 10:27, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't know much about Chinese names, I have to admit. Thanks for expanding the article. Is there any chance LlywelynII could be credited as author 2? Thanks, Matty.007 13:40, 17 December 2013 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on December 2[edit]

Malplaquet House

  • ... that Malplaquet House in Stepney, London, uninhabited for over a century, is "possibly the most superbly restored, privately owned Georgian house in the country"?

Created by Edwardx (talk), Gareth E Kegg (talk), Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 12:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Length verified, no copyviolations detected, hook fact cited (at the bottom of referenced on-line article), age verified as well. Ready for DYK status. - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:23, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Unfortunately, there is excessively close paraphrasing that should have been detected during a proper copyvio check (which means, paradoxically, using Duplication Detector to compare against the actual sources used rather than relying on the overpromsing Copyvio Check). Compare "The name, Malplaquet House, is derived from the 1709 Battle of Malplaquet, but it is unclear whether the association comes from the Jewish widow of a merchant who sold war salavage, or from a subsequent resident, Edward Lee, who was a military surgeon." in the article to FN3's "The name comes from the 1709 battle of Malplaquet, but it is not sure if the association comes from the occupation of the widow of a merchant who sold war salavage or from a subsequent tenant, Edward Lee, a retired military surgeon." BlueMoonset (talk) 02:11, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I've reworked that section. Edwardx (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Bilgin Defterli

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self nominated at 07:34, 5 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Ready to go. Nominated in time; definitely long enough; hook is in article; hook is slightly under the maximum; sources are all in languages I don't speak, but they look reliable — you'd trust the Turkish Football Federation on matters dealing with Turkish footballers, for example. Can't see any other problems that would deserve to hold this up. Nyttend (talk) 04:02, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Beaverton Health & Science School

Health & Science School entrance

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nominated at 15:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC).





Bowen state by-election, 1936

Created by Soman (talk). Self nominated at 02:36, 3 December 2013 (UTC).

Robert Murdoch Smith

Apollo of Cyrene

  • ... that Robert Murdoch Smith smuggled 121 bits of the Apollo statue (shown reassembled) past Libyans fearing they may destroy them further?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nominated at 22:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Where does it say in the text the word Lybians (crabs)? Are we talking about Libyans or Lybians, both are not in the article, it seems? - AnakngAraw (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
Oops - good catch of my spelling error. The article talks about the locals ..... and its in Libya. I'll check that the article makes this clear. Victuallers (talk) 07:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC) QPQ = Stora Blåsjön Victuallers (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2013 (UTC)


María Carmen Rubio

  • ... that Spanish archer María Carmen Rubio had difficulty getting funding for the 2012 Paralympics qualifier of poor performances by other archers at previous year's world championships?

Moved to mainspace by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 13:13, 2 December 2013 (UTC).

  • "funding for the 2012 Paralympics qualifier of poor performances by other archers" - Wakey-wakey, Laura! "After"? Johnbod (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
  • There is no citation directly after the hook and the two closest references do not support the hook unless I am missing something. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 11:02, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Jose Marin Rodriguez

Moved to mainspace by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 10:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC).

Will Hagerup

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 08:03, 2 December 2013 (UTC).


History of dentistry in the Philippines

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nominated at 03:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC).


Articles created/expanded on December 3[edit]

Li County, Gansu

  • ... that the first Duke of Qin inherited his father's land at Lixian when his older brother Shifu chose to dedicate his life to war against the barbarians who killed their grandfather?

5x expanded by LlywelynII (talk). Self nominated at 13:38, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article has been expanded more than five-fold, it is well-written and well-sourced (AGF on the sources, as my Chinese is too rudimentary to verify them), QPQ done. I would be ready to pass this, except for a few quibbles: one, if the "which" tag for Xiang's title could be removed, either by adding the title or by verifying that the title is unknown; two, per supplementary rule D2, there should be a reference for the county's later names; more importantly, three, the narration of the country's history seems to stop at the 8th century BC. Why? Is there absolutely nothing that can be said about the region in the next 2,500 years? Constantine 22:00, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks and thanks for the notice on my talk page.
Regarding (1), I'll look again but so far it seems like everyone else is just cribbing Sima Qian. He says that they went from being attached lords (presumably without status, despite several of the ancestors being called counts) to being feudal lords (which could technically be any of the ranks of the Chinese nobility). Since the later lords of Qin were dukes, they posthumously called these ancestors dukes as well but I can't find anyone able to explicitly say whether that was a promotion (which was a normal thing in China: some of the ancestors before this grant were called dukes as well) or their actual rank during life. So that's where we are on that. I'd rather leave the tag so other editors know to help but, if it's an issue for you guys, I'll clean up the phrasing.
Regarding (2) and (3), I got those names from the unsourced entry at the Chinese Wikipedia and those name changes essentially are the rest of the city's history. It was important in the Shang and Zhou as the border between "China" and the peoples of the Yangtze and Sichuan valleys and, as such, it served as one of the capitals of Qin. Talking about that capital was the only reason to expand the rest of the article in the first place but there's not really enough to justify spinning out a separate article. After Qin began expanding, its capital moved to (essentially) Xi'an and its armies moved into Sichuan: the borderlands weren't as important any more. So, essentially, the name changes are it's subsequent history. I can try to find some more info on the royal tombs nearby and their recent excavation but there's a separate article that should be made on that since it's a big protected area now.
If I can't find a source on those name changes (apart from Zh wiki, which doesn't count) do I really need to remove them until the DYK is over? — LlywelynII 00:49, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, I'd be willing to assume AGF here on the subsequent names; my problem rather is that as it is now the article seems incomplete. If you could explain what you have told me here in the article, then it'd be OK. On the title, if you can clarify the phrasing so that the tag is not needed, all the better (and our readers will learn something, too). Otherwise, just remove the tag, it is rather trivial a matter. Otherwise, as I said above, well done! Cheers, Constantine 10:20, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm really not sure what you expect to see from such a backwater (once the Qin capital moved), but I'll poke around on Google Books for awhile and see if I can find some more (or at least a source for its restoration to county status under the Ming). — LlywelynII 16:16, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Could I get fresh eyes on this? I really think it's an almost absurd amount of detail for a Chinese county article at this point. ^_^

    (In fact, I'll probably spin off some of the Qin details to linked family and dynasty pages just for space after this appears.) — LlywelynII 09:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

{{DYKsubpage |monthyear=December 2013 |passed= |2=

Vardges Sureniants[edit]

Vardges Sureniants in 1908

Created by Proudbolsahye (talk). Self nominated at 06:15, 5 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This article on an interesting artist is long enough, has a nice collection of images, has inline citations (several to non-English sources), image is free. However I can't verify the hook, and it might be difficult to find an RS which would verify a statement such as 'was his way of responding to (something)'. Sureniants was a noted illustrator, and one of the cited sources in English supports that. Perhaps you could come up with an alternate hook mentioning his illustration of the works of a particular artist or artists? NinaGreen (talk) 00:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
@NinaGreen: Thanks for the review NinaGreen. I would like an interesting hook that'll grab attention. I believe that merely mentioning his illustration of works won't grab much attention. I can help you verify the sources. Here are what they translate to:

Armenian: 1890-ական թթ. Սուրենյանցը ստեղծում է հայոց ջարդերին նվիրված կտավների մի ամբողջ շարք. «Լքյալը», «Ոտնահարված սրբությունը», «Ջարդից հետո»-ն..."

English: 1890s. Of creates a whole series of paintings devoted to the massacre. "Lkyale", "Trampled holiness," "The Massacre" is ... "

Russian: "Художник, прекрасно осознающий свое место в пространстве армянской культуры, не мог не обратиться к теме Геноцида армян – погромов и резни армян в Турции 1894-1895 годов. Эмоциональный тонус полотен «Попранная святыня», «После резни» буквально наэлектризован хаотической стихией трагизма."

English: "The Artist, perfectly conscious of its place in the space of Armenian culture, could not address the topic of the Armenian Genocide - pogroms and massacres of Armenians in Turkey of 1894-1895. Emotional tone paintings" trample upon the shrine, "" After the massacre "literally electrified the chaotic elements of tragedy."

NOTE: I have used Google translate just for your own verifiability. I am willing to change the wording of the hook...perhaps the following will be better?

ALT1 ... that the painting After the Massacre (pictured) by Vardges Sureniants was one of his many paintings dedicated to the massacres of Armenians?

OK. Thanks for the translations. How about this?
ALT2 ... that After the Massacre (pictured) was one of a series of paintings by Vardges Sureniants in response to the massacres of Armenians?
It's not too different from your original hook, and incorporates the wording 'series of paintings' from the translated source. I don't mind which of the three you choose. Let me know. NinaGreen (talk) 19:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Okay, fine with ALT2. Proudbolsahye (talk) 19:45, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go with ALT2. NinaGreen (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg You know, chances are that the picture is not going to be used since its dimension are very small. Consequently, the hook will become very uninteresting. I have changed the hook and picture...please see.
ALT3 ... that it has been said that the painter Vardges Sureniants (pictured) "will last as long as the Armenian people shall last"?

Google translations for the source of the hook are as follows:

Armenian: Բարձր կուլտուրայով կատարված նրա լավագոյն գործերում ուժեղ տրոփում է Հայաստանի սիրտը, դրա համար Վարդգես Սուրենյանցը կապրի այնքան, որքան կապրի Հայ ժողովուրդը... (pg. 15)

English: Best done with a culture that was strong in Armenia heart throb, Vardges Surenyants living for as long as Armenian people live...

I know the translation is horrible but this is for your verification. Hope it helps. Proudbolsahye (talk) 07:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Could an experienced DYK editor help out here? The cited source is in Armenian, and the translation in the article appears to be the nominator's own translation (which apparently doesn't fall within the prohibition against original research WP:NOR; see [22]). I checked the DYK rules page, but was unable to find any policy on the use of a nominator's own translation as a hook when the cited source is in another language. NinaGreen (talk) 16:11, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
WP:NOENG states: "Translations published by reliable sources are preferred over translations by Wikipedians, but translations by Wikipedians are preferred over machine translations. When using a machine translation of source material, editors should be reasonably certain that the translation is accurate and the source is appropriate." and we have our own ticker for AGF approval of the hook which is mainly used for instances like this (Symbol voting keep.svg). If you're still uncomfortable with the translation I have made, I can get a non-involved editor who knows Armenian to verify it for you. Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
There are special rules for DYK hooks which apply over and above the rules for articles themselves. I'd like an experienced DYK editor to let us know whether hooks translated by the nominator qualify for DYK. NinaGreen (talk) 20:13, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Another minor point. The cited source for the proposed new hook is 148 pages in length. Could you add the page reference to the citation for the hook? NinaGreen (talk) 18:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I added the page. Now we need to find an expert on DYK hooks. Proudbolsahye (talk) 18:54, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
The way you've done that has created another problem because you added a reference to p.15, but you have 13 different citations for the Atamyan publication, and the way you've added the page reference for the hook makes it appear that all 13 citations relate to material on p.15 of the Atamyan article, which I suspect is not the case. You need to set the citation up as a harv reference so that you can cite different page references for different facts in the article. NinaGreen (talk) 21:16, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
@NinaGreen: Okay, fixed. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
That's created yet another problem, because you now have the reference for the hook in a separate section entitled 'Bibliography' rather than together with the other references in the 'References' section. You need to create a section headed 'Footnotes' or 'Notes' with {{Reflist}} beneath it so that all your references will be together in one section, not separated. If you want it to appear as a double column, use {{Reflist|colwidth=30em}}. NinaGreen (talk) 21:43, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Well they're not technically in seperate sections this ref #23, for example, is directly linked with the bibliography section. That's how harv refs work. I changed the name of the section header nonetheless. If you think there's a better format, I kindly ask you to do it yourself so as to prevent misunderstanding and not keep going back and forth at the nom page. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:58, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Take a look at the article of mine you reviewed earlier to see how harv references work, or ask at the Help Desk. You now have three different sections, 'References', 'Notes' and 'Bibliography', where you should only have 'Notes' and 'References' (take a look at any number of Wikipedia articles for that format). This problem wouldn't have arisen if you hadn't decided, after I'd approved the DYK nomination, to change the hook to one which was referenced to a citation you'd used 13 times in the article but hadn't cited any individual page references for. That had to be fixed to made the new hook acceptable, and in attempting to fix it you've created additional problems, but the Help Desk can assist you with that. NinaGreen (talk) 22:10, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay, fixed. Proudbolsahye (talk) 22:21, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
You left a message on my Talk page earlier today asking me to look at the nomination again, but as I understand it, you're currently waiting for BlueMoonset, whom you'd asked (in your Ernest Yarrow nomination above) to consider the issue of whether DYK rules permit the nominator's own translation to be used as part of the hook. However while you're waiting for BlueMoonset, perhaps you could get someone to assist with smoothing out the translation ['With a high understanding of culture, his best works contained the beating heart of the Armenian nation. Therefore, Sureniants will last as long as the Armenian people shall last']. The current wording is a bit awkward, and irrespective of whether your translation can be used in the hook, it would improve the article to smooth it out. NinaGreen (talk) 17:55, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Okay I smoothed out the translation. Also, I contacted BlueMoonset on his TP. Proudbolsahye (talk) 07:25, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • BM pinged me, so I'm replying here. I do quite a bit of my own translating, as is patently obvious from a glance at the FAs I've written, and as such I may be able to help. In article, translations by Wikipedians are explicitly allowed (as cited above). To ensure verifiability and allow readers to check the translation, we should include the original as well in the article. Check out the article Amir Hamzah for an example.
Now, as for translations in DYK hooks. We have historically allowed this, and a quick browse through my DYKs shows several in which translations were used in the hooks (without the original language, owing to space constraints). In all cases the original language was included in the article. This includes Dardanella (theatre company), Fakih Usman, Melati van Agam (1931 film), and Sejarah Film 1900–1950. Thus, if there is no reason to doubt the translation, and if the original language is included, I see no reason for not allowing the latest ALT. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, Crisco. Could you add your comments to the DYK rules? I think it would be helpful to have the rules for the inclusion in hooks of translations by nominators spelled out there. NinaGreen (talk) 16:40, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Adding to the DYK rules would require bringing up a proposal at WT:DYK, something I cannot do with the limited internet time I have this December. If nothing explicit is in the rules, that means it is editorial judgment (i.e. that of the reviewer) whether a translation is acceptable or not. I was just indicating that previous reviews have found translation acceptable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I posed the question there just now. NinaGreen (talk) 22:36, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg The comments from Crisco indicate that this nomination can move ahead once the Armenian text is included in the article. NinaGreen (talk) 00:43, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
@NinaGreen: Okay, done. Proudbolsahye (talk) 20:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
It doesn't show up, though. Needs a fix. I'd have done it myself to save time but I've not used that sort of format before, and don't know how. NinaGreen (talk) 21:07, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
@NinaGreen: It formatted it as a note. Proudbolsahye (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
But by doing that you now have a 'Notes' section as well as a 'Footnotes' section. More importantly, this is what shows up in the text of the article: 'once said of Sureniants that: {{quote|With a broad understanding of culture'. Obviously '{{quote|' shouldn't show up in the text of the article. Ask the Help Desk to help you fix it. You want to get rid of the 'Notes' section, and have the Armenian text show up in your Footnotes section, and you don't want '

' showing up in the text of the article. NinaGreen (talk) 22:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

@NinaGreen: Done. Proudbolsahye (talk) 06:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go with ALT3 above. NinaGreen (talk) 18:53, 15 December 2013 (UTC)



Leyla Güngör

  • Comment: Not a self-nom. --PFHLai (talk) 06:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Created by CeeGee (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 06:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Article is new enough, long enough, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. No QPQ necessary. Foreign-language hook refs AGF (I double-checked her goal-scoring under UEFA Women's Euro 2013 qualifying – Group 2). Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 22:10, 15 December 2013 (UTC)



Lola Ochoa Ribes

Moved to mainspace by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 18:58, 3 December 2013 (UTC).


LS3/5A

late-model LS3/5A made by Spendor

  • ... that the BBC's LS3/5A loudspeaker sold an estimated 100,000 pairs over its two-decade-plus existence?

Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self nominated at 09:25, 3 December 2013 (UTC).



Frank Clark (American football)

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 08:46, 3 December 2013 (UTC).

Aeromobil

  • Comment: One of the first flights ever to be performed by half-car-half-plain vehicle.

Created/expanded by Aleksa Lukic (talk). Self nominated at 05:07, 3 December 2013 (UTC).



Articles created/expanded on December 4[edit]

PISA 2012 Tests

  • ... that the Swedish result in the PISA 2012 was called a national crisis by social democratic leader Stefan Löfven?

Created by Iselilja (talk). Self nominated at 22:09, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go.--Zoupan 13:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Zoupan, can you please explain what was checked here: length, newness, hook facts, hook interest, hook sourcing, close paraphrasing, what? "Good to go" is simply not adequate for those of us looking for hooks to promote. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:21, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Selina Meyer

Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 23:19, 7 December 2013 (UTC).



Noodles Hahn

  • ... that while pitcher Noodles Hahn was still playing baseball, he received a job offer to become the Dallas city veterinarian?
  • Reviewed: Cavendish Pianos
  • Comment: There is a good image on Commons, but it has the same file name as the article's infobox image, so I'm having trouble adding it to the article.

5x expanded by EricEnfermero (talk). Self nominated at 08:23, 5 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Both the article image and the Commons image were uploaded by PM800. I've left the editor a talk page message and link to this nom template in hopes they can assist. — Maile (talk) 14:02, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I did upload the Commons image but not the Wikipedia one. I have no objections to renaming either of them, but I can't do it myself; I think you have to ask an administrator. - PM800 (talk) 19:12, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm okay with the review proceeding without the image. I realize that DYK is supposed to be a lightweight process and I don't want to make this more work than it should be. Thanks. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 11:44, 12 December 2013 (UTC)



West House (Chelsea)

Created by Edwardx (talk), Gareth E Kegg (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 20:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg There are statements in the article which do not appear in the sources. For instance starting with the hook, the term flamboyantly gay is not in the reference, which only lists the name of the character. Another unattributed description is: who was best known in his own lifetime for portraiture, although today generally better appreciated as a painter in the Scottish Realist tradition and there may well be more. If these descriptions are removed the article may fall below the 1500 character DYK limit. It currently stands at 1581 characters. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 04:49, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I've added a BBC reference for "flamboyantly gay", and reworded the James Guthrie stuff, based on his ODNB entry. The previous wording was based on his WP entry. Edwardx (talk) 09:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)



David Mouriz Dopico

Moved to mainspace by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 12:55, 4 December 2013 (UTC).

Bernabe Costas de Miranda

Moved to mainspace by LauraHale (talk). Self nominated at 11:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC).



Articles created/expanded on December 5[edit]

Moby-Dick

  • *... that in the first British edition of Moby-Dick Ishmael did not survive the sinking of the Pequod?

5x expanded by MackyBeth (talk). Self nominated at 14:08, 11 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg There's no 5x expansion on this article. Prose size on 24 November, before expansion started, was 31,494 chars, current size is 54,717, so the expansion is just less than 1.75x. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Please see Talk page of the article, especially proposal to remove the enormous amount of unsourced material--sourced to nothing else than the book itself--added to it years ago. Should that material, mainly a long list of Characters, not be counted, then the recent additions come a lot closer.MackyBeth (talk) 16:36, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • OK, not really sure about this as I have not been attempting DYK reviews for long but I still think it will fail under the following rule; "A4: Fivefold expansion is calculated from the previously existing article, no matter how bad it was (copyvios are an exception), no matter whether you kept any of it and no matter if it were up for deletion." Sorry about this, but as far as I can see it's still not expanded enough. --Bcp67 (talk) 16:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that looks like you got a point there. The nomination is harpooned.MackyBeth (talk) 16:45, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Gracious and funny! A bit longer-term but what about trying to get it to GA status? New GA's can be nominated for DYK as well. --Bcp67 (talk) 17:33, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Oops, I had assumed that articles would automatically be rated higher as they improve, but apparently you have to apply for it. Thanks for the advice, I'll check out the criteria for lifting this article out of its unMelvillean B status, which may occur sometime in the new year..MackyBeth (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Just had a look at it and actually even the B-status for this article is a generous judgment, so it will take time to get it better. To make this article most useful for readers, all relevant information is added as soon as possible, and then matters of style and conciseness will be addressed.MackyBeth (talk) 17:55, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Symbol delete vote.svg The article now has fewer characters than in the original review, so I think it's time to remove it from the nomination list.


Saying Grace (painting)

Saying Grace by Norman Rockwell

  • Reviewed: Sammy Drake
  • Comment: I wish the article was illustrated, I've never uploaded a painting before!

Created by Gareth E Kegg (talk). Self nominated at 01:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC).

  • I needed to learn how to add an image to a nomination myself so I've made an attempt at adding one, as per the nominator's request. Perhaps another editor could check my work? Thanks! NinaGreen (talk) 17:04, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Interesting and timely new article is long enough, has inline citations throughout, image is described as fair use. The citation for the hook is to reference #2, though, and the quotation is found in reference #1. Once that's fixed the article should be good to go. NinaGreen (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Fixed. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 14:42, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Perfect. Thanks! Good to go! NinaGreen (talk) 21:32, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Vetiveria nigritana

  • ... that the perennial grass Vetiveria nigritana is grown in farms in Africa to prevent soil erosion, provide pest control, and improve the yield of crops such as maize?
  • Comment: Not a self-nom. --PFHLai (talk) 03:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Created by Jeglinsk (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 03:48, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Created on 5 December, meets prose size criterion. The statement of the hook is cited. Now, one article that has been used for the hook, Babalola et al. (2007), is not free access. So, you may consider adding a "subscription needed" template to that citation (and any other citations that are not free access), although this is not a must. Also, the creator of the article is new to DYK, and the nominator of the DYK did not really contribute to the article significantly. Hence, QPQ is not needed. So, the DYK is good to go.--Dwaipayan (talk) 03:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • " |subscription=yes " now added. --PFHLai (talk) 21:20, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Prié blanc

Aosta Valley, near Mont Blanc

Created by Agne27 (talk). Nominated by Matty.007 (talk) at 12:27, 7 December 2013 (UTC).



J. H. Hobbs, Brockunier and Company

A drawing of the J.H. Hobbs, Brockunier & Co. glass works circa 1870s.

Created by TwoScars (talk). Nominated by Caponer (talk) at 03:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

  • There's a lot of repetition of "glass" in the hook, obviously some of it is necessary but maybe some could go? I've come up with this, but open to other suggestions;
ALT1 ... that J. H. Hobbs, Brockunier and Company (works pictured) developed an improved formula for lime glass that enabled American manufacturers to produce high-quality glass at a lower cost? --Bcp67 (talk) 19:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
  • BCP, you're absolutely right about there being too much "that" in the original hook, therefore I prefer your ALT1. Thank you for the suggestion! --Caponer (talk) 20:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


Flow cytometry bioinformatics

Created by Kierano (talk). Self nominated at 00:25, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new enough (within 5 days of nomination), it is long enough, citations are inline, but there may be a copyright issue that needs to be resolved. The article is largely reproduced from here under Creative Commons License CC-By 2.5 [23], which is Wikipedia compatible WP:Compatible license. However, PLOS Computational Biology article is licensed CC-By 4.0 [24]. CC-By 4.0 is not listed on WP:Compatible license, so I don't know if it is Wikipedia compatible, though I would guess it is. Otherwise, the hook is interesting, it is accurate and cited with inline citations, and it is neutral. When the copyright compatibility is determined, it should be good to go. I am One of Many (talk) 08:07, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks for reviewing! Regarding the copyright issues, this can probably be resolved by the fact that the original version of the article (and hence the one generating the copyright) was prepared on the PLoS wiki here, and is CC-BY 2.5. Regardless, I'll bring this up with the editors at PLoS. The purpose of this series of articles is to get academics to write review papers to the Wikipedia manual of style, so that they can be co-published in the journal and on Wikipedia, so I'm sure they will be interested in ensuring license compatibility. -Kieran (talk) 20:05, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Just to add to this, I believe this is one of the first articles anywhere to be published under CC-BY 4.0, which is a really new version. -Kieran (talk) 20:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)




Articles created/expanded on December 6[edit]

Moten Swing

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Gareth E Kegg (talk) at 01:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC).

Mis amigos de siempre

Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self nominated at 22:44, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

Death of Nelson Mandela

  • Reviewed: No review required (not a self-nomination).

Created by Another Believer (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 22:17, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

  • I don't think this is ready. It has two cleanup tags and is practically entirely quotes. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 22:40, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Not to mention that the hook above is really boring, not catchy and uninteresting. —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The cleanup tags have been removed.
ALT ... that the sign language interpreter for the state funeral of Nelson Mandela made meaningless hand gestures that did not reflect established signs?  Tentinator  08:05, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Poramadulla Central College

Created by WhisperToMe (talk). Self nominated at 20:39, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Comment: I have not completed a full review, but the hook seems bland and leaves the reader wondering about the current status of the grounds. I added a little information to the article. ALT1: ... that the Poramadulla Central College cricket team began to play at a prison camp when its home grounds fell into disrepair? EricEnfermero HOWDY! 10:25, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


Proper right

Statue of naked Orestes holding a sword

  • ... that the statue illustrated holds a sword in its proper right hand?

Created/expanded by Johnbod (talk), Twchalwick (talk). Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 21:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article has been expanded 5x, has inline citations, image is free. Hook is interesting, and referenced to an online source. Oddly, there are appears to be no definition in the Oxford English Dictionary for the term. Good to go! NinaGreen (talk) 05:40, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Can we please have an ALT hook that can be run without a picture? Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:21, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
No. It's entirely a visual concept, & would be pointless without a picture. Since we have so few hooks that actually use the picture, it seems rather perverse to ask for this when we do get one. Johnbod (talk) 12:42, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Image provided is not in the article itself. The image in the article is a painting of Charlemagne. The article seems vague on what illustration it means, and the Ref. seems about some other examples. Maybe it's clear to someone else, but I don't connect the hook or the image and the reference. — Maile (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Huh?? The term is specific to images, but is not specific to particular images. Any suggestions as to how I can make this clearer to speed-readers welcome. Johnbod (talk) 03:23, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Speed reading has nothing to do with it. With the article at 2,158 characters, one can afford to read slow.
  • DYK rules on images and Review guidelines state that the image used in the hook must be in the article. I get that you are offering a concept. But the hook is using a specific image, and one that is not in the article.
  • DYK hook specifically requires "The "Did you know?" fact must be mentioned in the article and cited with an inline citation ". Your hook is offering a "fact" on "the statue illustrated". The article text that seems closest to the hook is "The sword in the illustration might be described as: "to the left as the viewer sees it", "to the left of the picture", "at the view's left", "at the viewer's left", and so on. A British 19th-century manual for military drill contrasts "proper left" with "present left" when discussing the orientation of formations performing intricate movements on a parade ground."
  • The reference is about the British manual for military drill contrasts, not about the "sword in the illustration".
  • However, the painting of Charlemagne itself is labeled Here Charlemagne holds a sword in his proper right hand, on the "viewer's left" with no citation. Does that sentence "The sword in the illustration..." refer to Charlemagne? If so, it probably should specify that. If not, what is "the illustration"?
Speed readers aren't going to have a problem with this. It's in stopping to read everything that the questions arise. — Maile (talk) 14:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
No the relevant reference is the current #1. Here's the lead, with it at the end: "Proper right and proper left are conceptual terms used to unambiguously convey relative direction when describing an image or other object. The "proper right" hand of a figure is the hand that would be regarded by that figure as its right hand.[1] In a frontal representation that appears on the left as the viewer sees it, creating the potential for ambiguity if the hand is just described as the "right hand"."
  1. ^ "For figurative works, use the abbreviations PR (proper right) and PL (proper left) to indicate the right or left side of the statue from the perspective of the statue (i.e., your right or left side if you were positioned on the base facing in the same direction as the statue)" - p. 34, Save Outdoor Sculpture! Volunteer Handbook. ("Save Outdoor Sculpture! (SOS!) is a joint project of the National Museum of American Art, Smithsonian Institution, and the National Institute for the Conservation of Cultural Property").
  • There was only one illustration in the article, so obviously that was "the illustration" referred to (now pluralized). Reference 5, which you for some reason think is relevant to the hook (it's not at all) covers only the preceding sentence. The one before that covers precisely the opposite way of describing images. I might add that referencing the basic definition in this article proved unexpectedly and surprisingly difficult, as museums etc all seem (wrongly) to think that this terminology is so basic it doesn't need to be explained when used, nor included in their glossaries (or in a couple of cases had unusably unclear or complicated definitions). However ref 1, when I eventually found it, is clear and to the point, and fully adequate to cover any appropriate image, as the term is a conceptual one with a plain meaning. I take your point about the rules, and have added the picture to the article. Charlemagne wouldn't work at DYK size. The hook fact is that the hand the statue is holding its sword in is referred to in museum terminology and art history as its "proper right" hand, and the ref covers that fine. The ref is a guide intended to be generally applicable; I wanted to avoid refs referring to any specific work, where there might be an issue using it generally. Johnbod (talk) 14:49, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I see you have clarified the reference and added the hook image to the article. — Maile (talk) 15:00, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
BTW, going back to Bluemoonset's comments, I think it was meant that there is no guarantee that an approved hook will be in the top slot. And an ALT hook would provide for that possibility. — Maile (talk) 15:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm prepared to wait until the supply of DWM portraits dips - in fact since we have had quite a few classical-type sculptures over the last week or so, that's no bad thing. The subject is visual & really needs a pic imo. I hope the other issues can be regarded as resolved now? Johnbod (talk) 15:38, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Yes, the other issues I brought up are resolved. — Maile (talk) 16:08, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! Johnbod (talk) 16:32, 9 December 2013 (UTC)



Articles created/expanded on December 7[edit]

Musikhjälpen

Musikhjälpen-house in Malmö

Created by GoingBatty (talk), Werldwayd (talk), and BabbaQ (talk). Nominated by BabbaQ (talk) at 15:47, 10 December 2013 (UTC).

  • As Musikhjälpen is broadcasted right now and until 15 December I suggest if it passes posting it before the end of the show.--BabbaQ (talk) 15:54, 10 December 2013 (UTC)




Africa Check

Created/expanded by I am One of Many (talk). Self nominated at 01:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article meets DYK criteria regarding length, creation date, and the hook is cited and verified, however the article has been nominated for deletion, so will need to be assessed pending the outcome of that discussion (which seems to be trending to keep). --Canley (talk) 23:27, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Then it is good to go! --Canley (talk) 04:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Golf in the Philippines

  • ... that the first Filipino man and woman champions in Philippine golf were a caddy and a laundry lady respectively?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nominated at 00:00, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

Blastocyst

Gustav Klimt's Danaë in 1907

  • ... that Gustav Klimt depicted detailed blastocysts in his painting Danae (pictured) long before blastocyst structure was common knowledge, puzzling art historians for over a hundred years?

5x expanded by NJSfour (talk), Wildcator (talk), Vicktory7 (talk). Nominated by NJSfour (talk) at 23:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article has been expanded from 5908 (on Nov 21) to 10453 characters, short of the 29,540 that would be needed for 5x expansion. Thingg 02:18, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Plus there seems no back-up for "puzzled" etc in the article. Johnbod (talk) 02:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)




Venetian arsenal, Gouvia

Venetian Shipyard in Gouvia

  • ... that many captains instead of repairing their damaged ships at the Venetian arsenal (pictured) in Corfu chose to sink them?

Created by Dr.K. (talk). Self nominated at 06:20, 7 December 2013 (UTC).

  • The hook just reads a little bit awkwardly to me, could this be an alternative without changing the meaning?
  • ALT1: ... that instead of repairing their damaged ships at the Venetian arsenal (pictured) in Corfu, many captains chose to sink them? --Bcp67 (talk) 07:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg OK, review-wise, the article is long enough at just over 2,000 characters and newly-created on 7 December. The article is well-referenced and mostly cited to written sources, some of which are quoted from in the references section. There are no obvious copyvios on the written sources shown in Google books. Links all fine, no dabs.
The hook is correctly formatted although as the author of the alt hook I am not sure if am qualified to pronounce on it and would appreciate another's reviewers eye on this, please. The hook fact is cited and the citation is correctly placed but I am uncertain if a narrow interpretation of the reference quite backs it up - it says "They were supposed to undertake one campaign a year in peacetime, being repaired in winter at the Gouvia Arsenal. But activity there was confined to careening and basic maintenance; and the number of ships steadily diminished, with many captains scuttling their unseaworthy vessels." Personally I'd say this is OK but again inexperience leads me to ask for a second opinion on it. Thanks. --Bcp67 (talk) 11:04, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
FWIW, the reason I phrased it thus is that the phraseology used by the reference is "...with many captains scuttling their unseaworthy vessels." To "scuttle" means to drill a hole to the ship to make it sink. This means that the vessel never went to the shipyard but was sunk at sea. This, imo, is a deliberate avoidance of going to the arsenal which was located on shore. The only other option would have been to take the ship on shore, discover it is not serviceable and then take it back at sea to scuttle it. This seems tedious and far-fetched, especially, to be undertaken by "many captains" who would have seen what happened to their predecessors and therefore would not have been bothered to attempt the service on shore at the arsenal. Finally, if against all logic, the captains chose to first go to the docks, then scuttle their ships at sea, the arsenal would have been extremely busy carrying ships in and out of the docks to be scuttled at sea. But the reference says that "activity steadily declined", which is the exact opposite. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 18:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

I would also propose an even more neutral ALT2 hook:

  • ALT2: ... that instead of bringing their damaged ships to the Venetian arsenal (pictured) in Corfu, many captains sank them?

Which simply states the facts per the source. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

If ALT2 fails, I propose ALT3:

  • ALT3: ...that the arches of the Venetian arsenal (pictured) in Corfu, have been described as "beautifully boned", "strong" and "impressive", "almost surreal", and "a striking collection of skeletal arches"?

Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 16:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


Volleyball in the Philippines

A Filipino woman volleyball player.

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nominated at 04:08, 7 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Can the deleted image be replaced by an example or demonstration of the spike instead? - AnakngAraw (talk) 00:22, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


Articles created/expanded on December 8[edit]

Anti-Serb pogrom in Sarajevo

Devastated and robbed shops owned by Serbs in Sarajevo, 1914.

  • Comment: Well-documented incident, linked to historically significant events in 1914.

Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Nominated by Anonimski (talk) at 09:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Comment: Hook is 201 characters. --Gfosankar (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


1981 Iraqi embassy bombing

Created/expanded by Plot Spoiler (talk). Self nominated at 22:47, 11 December 2013 (UTC).

  • I have found this
  • No QPQ made.
  • There is some close paraphrasing problem with these sentences "On December 15, 1981, a suicide bomber drove a car loaded with about 100 kilograms of explosives into the compound of Iraq's embassy in Beirut and detonated. The blast leveled the embassy, killing 61 people and injuring 110 others." (The Business of Martyrdom). Also I believe these sentences should be in-lined sourcesd (not just at the end of the paragraph). In addition, I don't know quite where the number 110 injured comes from as the "Martyrdom" and most other sources say "more than 100!. AP says 110, but they have got the numbers of dead all wrong.
  • Article long and new enough.
  • Hook is interesting and in accordance with in-line cited sources. It is a bit too long and I think it could be shorted to simply saying "considered the first modern suicide bombing", leaving out the examples of other suicide bombings that would follow.
  • Symbol question.svg Iselilja (talk) 10:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the careful review Iselilja. I think I've addressed all your concerns now. Plot Spoiler (talk) 20:05, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Hello, that's fine. Though, there are still some close paraphrasing issues in the "Bombing" section, in my opinion.
  • The article's first sentence says: "On December 15, 1981, a suicide bomber drove a car loaded with about 100 kilograms of explosives into the compound of Iraq's embassy in Beirut and detonated."
  • The Business of Martyrdom books says: "On December 15, 1981, a suicide bomber drove a car packed with explosives into the compound of Iraq's embassy in Beirut. The driver detonated the explosives"
  • I think you need to rewrite the sentence somewhat. - I know it's not always easy to change the words and still keep the story accurate, but it needs to be done according to the policy on close paraphrasing. Iselilja (talk) 20:28, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Good call. Hopefully this addresses those concerns[25]. Plot Spoiler (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I am not normally so nitpicking about close paraphrasing, but the established standard for what is acceptable seems to be pretty strict here at DYK. Approving ALT1 as hook. Very interesting hook, imo.
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have pulled this hook from prep because it appears there are other candidates for the title of "first modern suicide bombing.[26][27] A new hook may need to be found. Gatoclass (talk) 13:24, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
  • There are always going to be other candidates for these "first" titles of all sorts of historical incidents. Their appears to be a strong consensus though that this attack initiated the modern tactic of suicide bombing. Also, why I used the term "considered". Plot Spoiler (talk) 15:31, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
You only supplied three sources and I already found several that say otherwise, so I'm not seeing a "strong consensus". At the very least, you would probably have to change the hook from "considered" to "considered by some". I will do a more thorough search of sources tomorrow, but in the meantime you may want to consider an alternative hook. Gatoclass (talk) 15:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I'll send this over to someone else to review. Iselilja (talk) 13:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Aurora Film Corporation

  • ... that Aurora Film Corporation, established in 1906, was a travelling exhibitor showing films, magic and theater?

Created by Dwaipayanc (talk). Self nominated at 04:59, 11 December 2013 (UTC).



Di Tsayt (New York)

Created by Soman (talk). Self nominated at 01:11, 9 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Having checked the following:
  • QPQ done
  • New enough and (allthough barely) long enough .
  • All paragraphs sourced to a variety of on- and offline sources.
  • Spotchecks didn't reveal significant copyphrasing issues (I fixed one that was borderline)
  • No neutrality issues are apparent
  • Hook is interesting and short enough; it's inline sourced to an offline publication, so accepted on a AGF basis.
  • Adequately categorized and hyperlinked
  • I find the article to adhere to the policies of Wikipedia and the DYK rules Symbol voting keep.svg Iselilja (talk) 17:52, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


Boomerang effect (psychology)

  • ... that a persuasive message that creates an attitude change in the opposite intended direction is called a boomerang effect?

Expanded by Peabunny (talk). Self nominated at 10:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg There seem to be several problems including:
  1. The expansion doesn't seem to be x5. My calculation is 14312 / 3817 = 3.75.
  2. There are many paragraphs without citations.
  3. The English seems weak. For example, the word intension in the lead seems to be a misspelling of intention.
Andrew Davidson (talk) 22:13, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Andrew for the feedback and comments.

  • I have corrected the misspelled intension.
  • Regarding the calculation, the last 13996 and 2803 are both edited by me. I just realized that the edition I submitted earlier was not right and corrected it yesterday. so the calculation might be instead 14312 / (3817-2803) = 14 ish.
  • Regarding the reference. I think there might be some issue with my ref editing. I noticed that user Mandarax has been helping to correct the ref mistakes in wiki editing.

I will keep correcting the wiki syntax. Thank you again for the comment and please let me know if there is more I can do.

Peabunny (talk) 01:43, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed. The above reviewer is indefinitely blocked. For the record, DYK says this article was at 5X expansion on the date of its nomination. — Maile (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


List of defunct men's college basketball conferences in the United States

Created by FairyTailRocks (talk). Self nominated at 09:30, 8 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg I moved the article, to include 'United States' in the name (as it is a US-specific article). Length and date are ok. But the original hook is not backed up in the article (says Eastern conference defunct in 1939, but there is also the Northern California Conference defunct in the same year). The hook for ALT1 doesn't mention any of the details in the hook. --Soman (talk) 15:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Good catch, I didn't noticed that. I added proper reference to ALT1 and screw my original hook change it to ... that the Eastern Intercollegiate Conference and Northern California Conference are the first dissolved NCAA men's college basketball conferences? FairyTailRocks (talk) 01:34, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Sorry for the late feedback. However, in regards to ALT1 I can't load the reference (http://www.wviac.org/news/2013/7/1/GEN_0701134754.aspx), does others have the same problem? --Soman (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
That's okay. I believe the reference for ALT1 seem to work if you wait long enough but for your request I changed the source. FairyTailRocks (talk) 09:41, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, but http://westlibertylive.com/thetrumpet/?p=6041 doesn't back up the claim of 'longest active' NCAA conference. --Soman (talk) 00:57, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I changed the source. How about, ... that the West Virginia Intercollegiate Athletic Conference was one of the longest-running events in collegiate hoops since it's dissolution in 2013? FairyTailRocks (talk) 10:31, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Or, ALT3: ... that the Eastern Intercollegiate Basketball League was dissolved in 1955 and later renamed as the Ivy League? Your choice. :) FairyTailRocks (talk) 10:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg ALT3 could work. --Soman (talk) 12:22, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 9[edit]

William Cooke (clergyman)

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self nominated at 02:10, 14 December 2013 (UTC).

Dharmender Singh

Created/expanded by Bill william compton (talk). Self nominated at 15:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Size, date and QPQ okay. However, I'm unconvinced with the hook. Filing a police case against a politician for molesting a woman in a country like India isn't a big deal. Vensatry (Ping me) 18:19, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Really? Well, it's kind of "big deal" in the English speaking world. He is in the news due to this incident, so I think hook should reflect it. I've suggested the alternative. — Bill william comptonTalk 14:57, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
It would be interesting if he gets an imprisonment for the act, otherwise it's just a news. If there is dedicated "ITN" thread for India-related articles it would go there. ALT1 looks interesting. Vensatry (Ping me) 06:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Vensatry, interestingness is a matter of personal opinion and what might interest some, might not be very exciting for another. I find him bursting firecrackers outside the house of his opponent and molesting his wife more interesting than his sister being killed in a hit and run. You say molesting a woman in India "isn't a big deal", but I believe (from my experience of writing several articles on Indian politicians) that nepotism is much more common in India than female molestation cases. ALT hook sounds catchy to me. I'm asking another review for the ALT as I didn't suggest ALT1. — Bill william comptonTalk 12:27, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Ah, I didn't see the ALT above. Agree with the personal interest thing, anyways now it certainly looks like an interesting one. Vensatry (Ping me) 17:19, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
@ Bill william compton: I added ALT1 to avoid negative aspect of the living people which is one of the DYK rules, because I had little experience here. --Gfosankar (talk) 03:58, 16 December 2013 (UTC)--Gfosankar (talk) 03:58, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Dharmender Singh contested for 2013 Delhi election after his sister Santosh Koli died in a hit and run accident? --Gfosankar (talk) 14:26, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg All set with ALT1 Vensatry (Ping me) 06:35, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Hyderabad Legislative Assembly election, 1952

Created by Soman (talk). Self nominated at 01:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Although the article could do better with style... hook is interesting, and it is well-sourced (primary source, but meh). I'd be pleased if you expand a little the lead, but it is not necessary for this to pass. Küñall (talk) 13:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)



Faik Ali Ozansoy

Created by Proudbolsahye (talk). Self nominated at 06:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Checked for newness, size and QPQ. Foreign language hook accepted in good faith. Vensatry (Ping me) 07:11, 15 December 2013 (UTC)


Bridget Chaworth

Created by NinaGreen (talk). Self nominated at 20:17, 9 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg new and long enough article, sourced and interesting hook. I checked the references, GTG. --Norden1990 (talk) 21:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The hook is rather blah, IMO. Yoninah (talk) 00:58, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Well, the other reviewer found it interesting, and serving that demanding Queen for 25 years is something she probably deserves to be noted for. :-) NinaGreen (talk) 05:55, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
How about:
ALT1 ... that the inscription on Bridget Chaworth's monument commemorates her 25 years of service as a gentlewoman of the Privy Chamber to Elizabeth I and 14 years of service to Anne of Denmark? NinaGreen (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Thank you, that's better, and I added what her "service" was about. Hook ref verified. ALT1 good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:46, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg You can't approve a hook you yourself have proposed or contributed to. New reviewer needed for ALT1.--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 22:15, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg The rule only says that you can't approve your own hook, not that you can't tweak someone else's. Yoninah (talk) 16:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Supreme Court of Estonia

5x expanded by KKalve (talk). Self nominated at 18:59, 9 December 2013 (UTC).

Anochetus dubius

Anochetus dubius fossil

  • ... that the first described fossil of Anochetus dubius (pictured) is surrounded by a brownish bacterial growth?

Created/expanded by Kevmin (talk). Self nominated at 05:36, 9 December 2013 (UTC).

  • I'll review this:
  • New as of about yesterday, ~3400 characters prose
  • Cited inline, refs look reliable
  • QPQ satisfied
  • Hook is brief enough, image is freely licensed, seems interesting enough
Suggestions/Issues/Questions:
  • Any chance I could have a copy of the "De Andrade" ref?
I'll be back to check sources and paraphrasing. Chris857 (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)


Sex141.com

Created by Ohconfucius (talk). Self nominated at 03:57, 9 December 2013 (UTC).

Horseracing in the Philippines

  • ... that in the beginning, horseraces in the Philippines were done on a straight direction, then became clockwise on an oval track, before finally adopting counter-clockwise runs?

Created by AnakngAraw (talk). Self nominated at 03:49, 9 December 2013 (UTC).

Crossover experiment (chemistry)

Created by Akbartholomew (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 04:55, 16 December 2013 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 10[edit]

George Carleton (died 1590)

Created by NinaGreen (talk). Self nominated at 23:46, 15 December 2013 (UTC).

Stefan Vladislav of Serbia

Stefan Vladislav holding a miniature of the Mileševa monastery

5x expanded by Zoupan (talk). Self nominated at 05:29, 15 December 2013 (UTC).


William Murray, 2nd Lord Nairne

Prince James Francis Edward, by Anton Raphael Mengs

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self nominated at 02:41, 14 December 2013 (UTC).



Aquilo (steam yacht)

Created by Mtsmallwood (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Stanley Hudson Dodwell

Created by Lmmnhn (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:23, 12 December 2013 (UTC).


Herbert Thomas Johnson

Johnson as Adjutant General, circa 1920

Created by Billmckern (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:33, 12 December 2013 (UTC).


Sutton High Street, National Express route A3

  • Comment: There are half a dozen images in the Sutton High Street article. Their copyright status is as follows: Free use, public domain, free use, free use, free use, free use. I will leave it up to the reviewer to decide which image to use.

Created by Launchballer (talk), CourtneyBonnick (talk). Nominated by Launchballer (talk) at 12:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Iosif Vulcan

ALT 1: ... that Iosif Vulcan, a Romanian Austro-Hungarian, belonged to both the Kisfaludy Society in Budapest and the Romanian Academy in Bucharest?

ALT 2: ... that during the Transylvanian Memorandum trial, Romanian Austro-Hungarian Iosif Vulcan wrote a play about Stephen III of Moldavia that premiered in Bucharest?

ALT 3: ... that for about fifteen years, Iosif Vulcan, a resident of Austria-Hungary, attended every regular session of the Romanian Academy?

Created by Biruitorul (talk). Self nominated at 05:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Elizabeth Hussey

Created by NinaGreen (talk). Self nominated at 00:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Mary Barra

5x expanded by Iselilja (talk), Sunnydoo (talk), Guiletheme (talk). Nominated by Iselilja (talk) at 14:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC).


Katowice historic train station

Katowice historic train station

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self nominated at 03:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC).

  • I don't read Polish, so assuming this would be sourced, how about: — Maile (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Alt1 ... that ruined Katowice train station (pictured) attained monument status in 1975, but stalled plans for its future have caused media buzz and frustration among the populace?





Infante Francisco de Paula of Spain

5x expanded by Miguelemejia (talk).  Self nominated at 03:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC).

  • What, like Blind man's buff? His only real notability is as the nervous little boy in the Goya portraits, & that might make a better hook. Johnbod (talk) 02:44, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
    • No. He had a long and very active life in Spain's politics for over forty years.--Miguelemejia (talk) 22:43, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 11[edit]

Stephen Rubin

Created by FunkyCanute (talk). Self nominated at 12:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC).

Mongol siege of Kaifeng

Jin envoys meeting Genghis Khan

Created by Khanate General (talk). Self nominated at 06:09, 16 December 2013 (UTC).

  • I have modified the original hook for clarity as well as proposed an alternate hook for consideration.--¿3family6 contribs 17:10, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


Chinese Tang tomb figures

Sancai grave sentry

  • ... that the thirteen figures (example pictured) who guarded the tomb of General Liu Tingxin in 728 AD are now in London?

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nominated at 17:09, 15 December 2013 (UTC).


Balawat Gates

Hormuzd Rassam

Created by Jononmac46 (talk).&nbsp and Victuallers;Self nominated at 20:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC).



Lufsig

  • Comment: third party nomination

Created by Chrishmt0423 (talk). Nominated by Ohconfucius (talk) at 02:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article fine, hook fact okay but hook doesn't appeal to reader. Suggest rewriting to: ALT1: ... that the IKEA soft toy Lufsig sold out in Hong Kong within hours due to a Cantonese pun? Deryck C. 23:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Thanks Deryck. I agree that the alt suggested is probably better. -- Ohc ¡digame! 01:20, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I think ALT1 is better.—Chris!c/t 02:35, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Symbol confirmed.svg ALT1 good to go. Where the article name is a proper name, it is generally preferable to use article name in the hook so I wouldn't recommend ALT2. Deryck C. 23:39, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I suggest we keep profanities away from MainPage. ALT2: ... that the IKEA soft toy Lufsig has recently become an anti-government symbol in Hong Kong? --PFHLai (talk) 07:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Yes we should avoid profanities from main page, therefore I suggested ALT1. "Lufsig" does not evoke any profanity in English so we should use the name directly. Deryck C. 23:39, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
      • But ALT1 is still referring to the profanity. --PFHLai (talk) 06:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC) ALT2 now tweaked to display the name. It was hidden to keep the hook short. --PFHLai (talk) 16:00, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
        • ALT1 doesn't refer to the actual profanity or the word "profanity", so we are keeping profanities away from Main Page. Readers have to go to the Lufsig page in order to see what the pun is about.—Chris!c/t 22:55, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
          • I'd prefer that the pun be farther way from MainPage. Not a good way to promote HK culture. --PFHLai (talk) 00:48, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Platanthera azorica

Created by Agyle (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:37, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svgnew enough, and long enough with the numerous quotes removed. I wouldn't mind seeing the species list at the top be removed from the leade and converted to fuller prose in a "description" section. Im also not sure where the quotes fall in the spectrum of acceptability.--Kevmin § 23:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I've removed the species list from the lead and removed some of the quotations.  Tentinator  07:42, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Edward George Sydney Paige

Created by Colapeninsula (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:44, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Keith Henderson (artist)

An Improvised View of an Under Carriage

Created by 14GTR (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:55, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg If he was a war artist then his paintings for that time will be out of copyright - can anyone find a picture? Without that the "fury" over the painting cannot be easily appreciated. Else could there be more detail over what the fury was all about? Victuallers (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg - I have found and added a pic which could be used as its a free licence. The article is well reffed and age and length are OK - no obvious paraphrasing found Victuallers (talk) 18:01, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

J.J. Deal and Son Carriage Factory

JJ Deal Carriage Factory, c 1879

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC).


Andrew Lusk Shields

Created by Lmmnhn (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 21:03, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Make it obvious who Maltby was and make it an xmas nom? Victuallers (talk) 13:31, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Hyde House (Buckinghamshire)

  • Reviewed: No review required (not a self nomination).

Created by Gareth E Kegg (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:06, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Battle of Shela

  • Reviewed: No review required (not a self nomination).

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:11, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Estelle Ramey

  • ... that Estelle Ramey's name was formalized so she could go to school?
  • Reviewed: No review required (not a self nomination).

Created by Hmlarson (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 20:02, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Matilda Hays

  • ... that Matilda Hays started writing periodicals, often regarding women's issues, from about 1838?

Created by CaroleHenson (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 21:09, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Guildford Road

Created by Evad37 (talk). Self nominated at 01:59, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, properly cited to the Western Australian, so no issues there. The hooks are a little long, not directly breaching the rules but they just seem to struggle to say a fact concisely. Does the road have any notable landmarks on it? If so, a hook outlining them would work. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:11, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I could probably dig up some more info on the Mount Lawley Subway, and from memory there were a couple of heritage sites in Maylands, but how about just making the hook more concise:
ALT2:... that the name Great Eastern Highway was originally coined to describe Guildford Road?
- Evad37 [talk] 03:37, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
How about ALT3:... that Guildford Road in Perth, Western Australia was originally supposed to be called the Great Eastern Highway? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:01, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
I don't think "originally" is accurate, as the road dates back to circa 1830, while the name 'Great Eastern Highway' was coined 100 years later... maybe ALT4:... that Guildford Road in Perth, Western Australia was supposed to be called the Great Eastern Highway? - Evad37 [talk] 10:10, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Yes, that looks good to me, so this is now good to go. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:00, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Do we need to address {{expand section}} first? --PFHLai (talk) 05:11, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I've adjusted the tag and moved it to the relevant subsection, but is not needing expansion really a DYK criteria? If it was, then only B-class and above articles would be eligible for DYK. - Evad37 [talk] 05:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
In general, we don't use articles that are tagged for problems or appear to be incomplete / work in progress. It's okay to be thin, but glaring holes need to be avoided. Shall we wait for the history since 1935, or not? --PFHLai (talk) 05:33, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
I have expanded slightly with the most significant change made since 1935. So now the coverage is thin, but there, and the tag is gone. - Evad37 [talk] 06:36, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Chicago Film Critics Association Award for Best Cinematography

Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self nominated at 01:23, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article contains only 1218 characters of content outside the list, which is short of the 1500 required for DYK noms. Thingg 01:07, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Oh, shoot. I forgot to check. I'll see what I can do to expand the prose. - JuneGloom Talk 02:04, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Anomaly (Star Trek: Enterprise)

Improved to Good Article status by Miyagawa (talk). Self nominated at 23:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC).

Carleton Washburne

  • ... that educator Carleton Washburne led a study that established 6.5 years as the appropriate age for entry to first grade in the United States?

5x expanded by Teemu08 (talk). Self nominated at 21:19, 11 December 2013 (UTC).


Current nominations[edit]

Articles created/expanded on December 12[edit]

Dorle Soria

Created by Reedmanwiki (talk). Nominated by Kosboot (talk) at 17:20, 17 December 2013 (UTC).

Begum Akhtar Riazuddin

Created/expanded by Syed Wamiq Ahmed Hashmi (talk). Self nominated at 12:36, 17 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg All facts mentioned in the hook have to be cited - there is no citation in the article for Mrs. Riazuddin being the first woman to write modern Urdu travelogues. Also, the fact that she was nominated for the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize is slightly misleading. It is mentioned in the cited source, but in fact she was part of a large nomination, 1000 PeaceWomen, for that prize rather than being a nomination in her own right. --Bcp67 (talk) 13:06, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for the quick review; here, I actually forgot to add the ‘first’ in the article lede. The source I have, clearly says: “Her travelogue, ‘Sat Samundar Par’, is the first travelogue in Urdu written by a woman.” (in Urdu) Regarding the Nobel Prize: Can you suggest an improvement, Bcp67? —ШαмıQ @ 14:07, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I have just edited the article to add a little more about the Nobel Prize nomination, so how about;
ALT1 ... that Mrs. Riazuddin, the first woman to write modern Urdu travelogues, was one of the 1000 PeaceWomen nominated for the Nobel Prize in 2005?
or shorter - ALT2 ... that Mrs. Riazuddin was the first woman to write modern Urdu travelogues?
Ok... ALT1 can go. I actually wanted to include both these facts so that it may seem more interesting. Being a writer and an activist at the same time was a bit surprising for me, too, at first. So much that when I was surfing for sources, I thought that some of them may be about some other Mrs. Riazuddin. Earlier, I just knew of her as a writer. —ШαмıQ @ 15:05, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable - if you found it interesting I would think other people would too. --Bcp67 (talk) 15:29, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Ok, then. I will finalise the article by today and will remove the {{under construction}}. —ШαмıQ @ 15:44, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Por Amarte Así

  • ... that Alejandro Montalbán and Eduardo Reyes received an ASCAP Award for a pop, salsa, and duranguense recording of "Por Amarte Así"?

5x expanded by Magiciandude (talk). Self nominated at 21:49, 15 December 2013 (UTC).

Emil Rebreanu

Created/expanded by Biruitorul (talk). Self nominated at 03:43, 15 December 2013 (UTC).

Jesuit College of Ingolstadt

Jesuitenkolleg Ingolstadt by Michael Wening c. 1700

  • ... that astronomers at the Jesuit College of Ingolstadt (pictured) hesitated to report sunspots since Jesuits thought the sun was "virginal"?

Created by Aymatth2 (talk). Self nominated at 21:16, 14 December 2013 (UTC).


Supreme Court of the Republic of Texas

Judge James W. Robinson, Texas Supreme Court

Created by GregJackP (talk). Self nominated at 17:49, 14 December 2013 (UTC).


International reactions to the Euromaidan

  • ... that a reaction to the Euromaidan was creating a human chain on the Polish-Ukrainian border crossing in Medyka as a sign of support for pro-EU protesters in Ukraine?

Created by Nickst (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 14:37, 14 December 2013 (UTC).

Phialemonium curvatum

Created by Medmyco (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 14:42, 14 December 2013 (UTC).

Barbara Watson (politician)

Official legislative portrait of State Representative Barbara Watson

Created by Tqycolumbia (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 11:52, 14 December 2013 (UTC).


Cavendish Pianos

  • ... that Cavendish Pianos is the only company producing pianos still wholly built in the UK?

Created by Nonsenseferret (talk). Nominated by Tentinator (talk) at 11:59, 14 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good work here. Long enough and new enough. No copyvio detected. No QPQ required as not a self-nom. Hook is interesting and cited in the article. EricEnfermero HOWDY! 04:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

The Beatles' rooftop concert

  • Reviewed: Guildford Road
  • Comment: Could this be put in the holding area for 30 January - the 45th anniversary of the concert

Created by Pcnc2013 (talk), Ritchie333 (talk), GabeMc (talk). Nominated by Ritchie333 (talk) at 17:33, 13 December 2013 (UTC).


Azati Prime

Improved to Good Article status by Miyagawa (talk). Self nominated at 20:10, 12 December 2013 (UTC).


Patrick Schuster

  • Reviewed: IOU

Created by Muboshgu (talk). Self nominated at 17:30, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

Sängerfest

Postcard 1928 Sängerfest

Sängerbund-Feste

  • Comment: Alt image also provided

Improved to Good Article status by Maile66 (talk). Self nominated at 13:43, 12 December 2013 (UTC).


Aciliu Viaduct

Created by Bine Mai (talk). Self nominated at 13:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg – Article is new and sufficiently long. Hook fact is interesting and cited with an inline citation. You are supposed to review another editor's nomination. — Bill william comptonTalk 15:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Notified Bine Mai on their talk page.— Maile (talk) 18:37, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Chiara Ferragni

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nominated at 03:26, 12 December 2013 (UTC).

  • Is this article's subject notable? I am really skeptical that she is given that most, if not all of the info about her is either related to or a result of her blog, which does have it's own article (although it is currently tagged for notability concerns among other things). Perhaps someone else could look at this? Thingg 01:19, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

No. 482 Squadron RAAF